2 miracle game winners away from same 18 game record as last year
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framer
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Our entire rotational bench is 3 rookies, a second year guy who barely played last year, and Booker. That could be fixed if the Jazz were chasing wins, which it doesn't appear are as important as player development. I support this.
Tarkanian
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this.
sadly there is no stats for "quality losses"
Jazz have been showing some character and still losing the games. On stat sheet, this looks like an "L" from the TyCo era but improvement is there and just too obvious to miss.
The Jazz's bench tonight got outscored by 25 pts in a 2-pt loss. If you want, you can look at the bright side and say our starters outscored theirs by 23 pts. This is how the Jazz are rebuilding---throw the young players into the fire and make the bench bad enough to keep us lottery competitive.
Hayward is becoming something close to an All Star.
Burks has nights where he looks like a 6th man of the year.
Favors continues to improve slowly.
Exum shows glimpses of what our defense could be in the future.
Gobert changes the game with his help defense.
There are definitely positives.
Burks has nights where he looks like a 6th man of the year.
Favors continues to improve slowly.
Exum shows glimpses of what our defense could be in the future.
Gobert changes the game with his help defense.
There are definitely positives.
I would assume Denver has one of the best benches in the NBA.
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Apparently that's what is is expected. I think some fans need to tune out a few years.
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If im being honest and not a homer. He mostly looks like ****.
Plays some pretty good defense sometimes
QuinSnydersHair
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Oof.
The Jazz Wonderbra
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Spinoza is spot on. Go ahead and adjust for points scored and pace of play... it won't tell a very different story. We have been in these games and playing better. There is fight in the team where as last year we rolled over almost every game. The style of play is a 100% turn around. I yelled at the TV all last year because there was no hope of getting better doing the same things. This year, I can see growth, hope, a fun style of basketball, and some bad stretches that put us behind.
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how long we been rebuilding bro? 5+
Sneakers
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its not that I dont like our players, i'm just venting that nothing's translated on the w/l sheet yet, and that the games have become less and less enjoyable to watch. i see Hayward blowing up into a borderline star in front of our eyes, and exum w/ flashes and etc. I get that this is takes a while but anyway calling me out for being a "bad fan" after "ONLY 1 YEAR OF REBUILDING" is not being honest or fair to what fans have gone through the last several years. obviously bitching about it isn't suddenly going to make us good again, but this is a fan forum, and I am venting.
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I say 2 years...... with this being the first year doing it properly with our core and our coach.
Only you can answer that. I don't know you.
Again, if you don't see that the team is competitive regardless of whether they are winning games, I'm not sure what to tell you. You think it's unfair for me to call you impatient? Well, you sound like an entitled millennial who wants everything now. I'm guessing you're in your mid-20's?
UGLI baby
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Dang.
magic
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The Jazz are clearly a better team than last year. Last year they went down by 20 and stayed down by 20. This year they actually make it a close game.
That being said, at the moment I feel the future of the Jazz is going nowhere. We, for the first time, swung for the fences by drafting Exum. We then basically un-swing for the fences by not playing him much at all, with the flawed logic that he is too young and raw.
We traded 2 draft picks for Trey Burke. I would trade those two draft picks and Trey Burke for Exum without hesitation. I wish we would for once completely swing for the fences. For example, I would throw Exum to the wolves and see what happens. If it ends up utterly failing so be it. If he was truly the player we think he can be, he would not fail. As it stands right now, having a Trey Burke at his ceiling will get us nowhere, so it's not like a failed Exum project is any worse.
And I can't see how Exum is getting any better by the way we are developing him now. First we send him with the second unit which has a hard time scoring. This takes away his main strength, passing/court vision. Since they know the second unit can't score well, they can pressure him or double him even if he decides to drive it in and be aggressive. In consequence, this now forces him to develop a pull up jump shot in order to get more playing time. Developing a pull up jump shot takes a LOT of time. This has resulted in less and less minutes for Exum as the season has gone on.
Second, a lot of times they will have either Burks or Hayward run the point instead. So the minutes he's on the floor when this happens are basically useless since I don't ever see him becoming even an above average shooting guard. A great shooting guard needs vertical explosiveness, something Exum doesn't have.
I wish our lineup was this:
Starting:
Exum
Hood
Hayward
Kanter
Favors
Subs:
Burke
Burks
Ingles
Booker
Gobert
By having the lineup this way, Exum will actually be able to operate efficiently and contribute immediately since the floor will be well spread out. He is also a better defender than Trey so we'd benefit defensively as well. Hood will also develop nicely, and I think this starting 5 in general would have good chemistry.
Then when the bench is subbed in we'd have offensive firepower with Trey and Burks. And Trey's crappy defense will not be as painful since he's going against bench players and will have Gobert protecting the rim.
Sadly, these lineups will probably never be tested. But just from watching all the games it makes the most sense to me.
That being said, at the moment I feel the future of the Jazz is going nowhere. We, for the first time, swung for the fences by drafting Exum. We then basically un-swing for the fences by not playing him much at all, with the flawed logic that he is too young and raw.
We traded 2 draft picks for Trey Burke. I would trade those two draft picks and Trey Burke for Exum without hesitation. I wish we would for once completely swing for the fences. For example, I would throw Exum to the wolves and see what happens. If it ends up utterly failing so be it. If he was truly the player we think he can be, he would not fail. As it stands right now, having a Trey Burke at his ceiling will get us nowhere, so it's not like a failed Exum project is any worse.
And I can't see how Exum is getting any better by the way we are developing him now. First we send him with the second unit which has a hard time scoring. This takes away his main strength, passing/court vision. Since they know the second unit can't score well, they can pressure him or double him even if he decides to drive it in and be aggressive. In consequence, this now forces him to develop a pull up jump shot in order to get more playing time. Developing a pull up jump shot takes a LOT of time. This has resulted in less and less minutes for Exum as the season has gone on.
Second, a lot of times they will have either Burks or Hayward run the point instead. So the minutes he's on the floor when this happens are basically useless since I don't ever see him becoming even an above average shooting guard. A great shooting guard needs vertical explosiveness, something Exum doesn't have.
I wish our lineup was this:
Starting:
Exum
Hood
Hayward
Kanter
Favors
Subs:
Burke
Burks
Ingles
Booker
Gobert
By having the lineup this way, Exum will actually be able to operate efficiently and contribute immediately since the floor will be well spread out. He is also a better defender than Trey so we'd benefit defensively as well. Hood will also develop nicely, and I think this starting 5 in general would have good chemistry.
Then when the bench is subbed in we'd have offensive firepower with Trey and Burks. And Trey's crappy defense will not be as painful since he's going against bench players and will have Gobert protecting the rim.
Sadly, these lineups will probably never be tested. But just from watching all the games it makes the most sense to me.
Regarding buzzer beaters, if Trey had missed, the game would be tied and into OT, so you can't say that we would have lost that except for the "miracle" (not to mention Carmelo's own miracle 3-pointer, without which we win without the buzzer beater (did he call bank?)
You can tell he has potential though