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Wes Mantooth said:
Trump might be the most despicable human being ever and he has no business being the President of the United States but these libs are off their ****ing rocker with the idea of paying out reparations. I’ll vote for Trump if the D is a person who’s behind that dumbass notion.
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That is worse than what Trump does? PLEASE....
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Trump might be the most despicable human being ever and he has no business being the President of the United States but these libs are off their ****ing rocker with the idea of paying out reparations. I’ll vote for Trump if the D is a person who’s behind that dumbass notion.
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Yeah, I don't understand how reparations could work.
Is it a set payment that is given out indefinitely?

Who gets it?

Who gives it?

If its a one time payment then obviously it could never be enough. If it's an endless installment plan than obviously each installment won't be enough yet the total cost will be extreme.

I just don't understand the whole thing.

I think a just society is what we should strive for. Not an unjust society in which we "make up for it" by paying reparations.

It's so unworkable. No one on any side would ever be satisfied by any sort of reparations.
 
Revolution 9 said:
I was the one who reported that comment, and called out the poster!

Are you not disgusted by Trumps disgusting immoral behavior?
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You were right to do so. But when a person holds their self to no standard and is willing to act in any despicable way in an effort to troll I personally don't feel bad going below the belt with that person. Jazzrule is not worthy of consideration or respect. Anyone who makes a pretend apology, tricks me into accepting their apology, then mocks that apology while calling me a ****ing pedophile? That's not a person. Not to me.
 
I have a question.
So I have always thought that there are checks and balances in our government meaning that a single man or woman (the POTUS) can't just do whatever they want.

If this still holds true (I'm not sure it does anymore) then if someone who wants reparations were to get elected president then wouldn't the whole reparations idea have to pass through the house/Senate/Congress or whatever first?
Or can presidents just use executive orders or something to do what ever they want now? Have they always been able to do executive orders on anything and just didn't in the past? Or did they do them in the past too? Is there only certain things a president can use executive orders on? Only a certain number of times?

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fishonjazz said:
I have a question.
So I have always thought that there are checks and balances in our government meaning that a single man or woman (the POTUS) can't just do whatever they want.

If this still holds true (I'm not sure it does anymore) then if someone who wants reparations were to get elected president then wouldn't the whole reparations idea have to pass through the house/Senate/Congress or whatever first?
Or can presidents just use executive orders or something to do what ever they want now? Have they always been able to do executive orders on anything and just didn't in the past? Or did they do them in the past too? Is there only certain things a president can use executive orders on? Only a certain number of times?



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The "power of the purse" resides with Congress. The president can't pay reparations without congressional approval.
 
Gameface said:
The "power of the purse" resides with Congress. The president can't pay reparations without congressional approval.
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That's good.
I don't think we need to worry about that too much then.

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Gameface said:
The "power of the purse" resides with Congress. The president can't pay reparations without congressional approval.
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So what are executive orders then? Do they also have to pass through Congress?

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Right now the ONLY Dem i'd vote for is Gabbard over Trump. Shes the only one talking about the continual nation building and bringing the troops home. I also thought Buttigieg did a good job the night before so i'm on the fence with him.
 
Ugh @Safetydan are you serious? I had no idea you were gay. Not that we broadcast that stuff on here but seriously, I’m very sorry you had to experience that. I can’t imagine. Not sure if you’re aware but there’s a movie that came out a year ago with the kid from Manchester by the Sea, Nicole Kidman, Russell Crowe and Joel Edgerton about the topic.
 
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Gameface said:
Yeah, I don't understand how reparations could work.
Is it a set payment that is given out indefinitely?

Who gets it?

Who gives it?

If its a one time payment then obviously it could never be enough. If it's an endless installment plan than obviously each installment won't be enough yet the total cost will be extreme.

I just don't understand the whole thing.

I think a just society is what we should strive for. Not an unjust society in which we "make up for it" by paying reparations.

It's so unworkable. No one on any side would ever be satisfied by any sort of reparations.
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I don't know if you've read Ta-Nehisi Coates argument for reparations but it's pretty convincing, and it's conclusion might surprise you a little.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

It's a really long read, but there's an audio version as well.

Here's his opening statement he gave to congress in support of HR 40, a bill which would create a commission to study reparations.

Yesterday, when asked about reparations, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell offered a familiar reply: America should not be held liable for something that happened 150 years ago, since none of us currently alive are responsible. This rebuttal proffers a strange theory of governance, that American accounts are somehow bound by the lifetime of its generations. But well into this century, the United States was still paying out pensions to the heirs of Civil War soldiers. We honor treaties that date back some 200 years, despite no one being alive who signed those treaties. Many of us would love to be taxed for the things we are solely and individually responsible for. But we are American citizens, and thus bound to a collective enterprise that extends beyond our individual and personal reach. It would seem ridiculous to dispute invocations of the Founders, or the Greatest Generation, on the basis of a lack of membership in either group. We recognize our lineage as a generational trust, as inheritance, and the real dilemma posed by reparations is just that: a dilemma of inheritance. It is impossible to imagine America without the inheritance of slavery.
 
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Safetydan said conversation on purpose.

Not conversion, conversation.

If I'm wrong I'll leave it to safetydan to tell me I'm wrong.

I did a double-take reading his post. I'm pretty sure he said "conversation" on purpose.
 
Hax0rs said:
Right now the ONLY Dem i'd vote for is Gabbard over Trump. Shes the only one talking about the continual nation building and bringing the troops home. I also thought Buttigieg did a good job the night before so i'm on the fence with him.
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No one actually gives a **** which democrat Trump supporters would vote for over Trump. It's a ****ing lie anyway. Breitbart would tell you funny stories and you'd giggle your *** off and realize you have to vote for Trump or else your race would be threatened.

So shut the **** up about who you would vote for instead of Trump. No one cares, at all. You consider Trump a viable option. Discussion over.
 
Gameface said:
No one actually gives a **** which democrat Trump supporters would vote for over Trump. It's a ****ing lie anyway. Breitbart would tell you funny stories and you'd giggle your *** off and realize you have to vote for Trump or else your race would be threatened.

So shut the **** up about who you would vote for instead of Trump. No one cares, at all. You consider Trump a viable option. Discussion over.
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First off dumbass, I never voted for Trump...So you calling me his supporter just goes to show how bat **** crazy you loony cucks are. Did I like Trump over Mrs Arkancide, hell yes. I actually voted for Johnson though. Second, you have no damn clue what my "race" is. I could be Polynesian, African American, Asian....maybe I should buy you a belt with your name on it, so when you pull your head out of your ***, you can remember who you are.

You considered Mrs Arkancide a viable candidate, which means your opinion is worth jack squat. I'd love to meet you face to face and have you tell me to shut the hell up internet tough guy, i'd push your **** in.
 
Revolution 9 said:
I was the one who reported that comment, and called out the poster!

Are you not disgusted by Trumps disgusting immoral behavior?
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Rightfully so, I pushed back on that comment as well.

Justifying ****** behavior by pointing to the ****** behavior of others is not justification. Smh
 
fishonjazz said:
That's good.
I don't think we need to worry about that too much then.

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Agreed. But I don’t like people throwing reparations out there. It’s a clear attempt to pander when they know it’s not viable. Also, it solves nothing.

I’m with @Gameface in that a just society should be our focus.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think jazzta is a republican as well.
And then there is myself.

Funny thing is no matter what kind of evidence you show him (as we have done here) he just says I disagree. As if it's a matter of opinion or something.

He is simply incorrect.

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I may lean more conservative in general but I wouldn’t call myself a Republican. I wouldn’t want to be associated to the likes of Trump or the Bush clan. I’ve also opened up to issues like universal healthcare, understanding how messed up the current healthcare system is. I would say that I focus on individuals rather than parties, the way parties currently carry themselves. Imagine if the set of candidates were all unaffiliated, a lot of prejudices would be eliminated.
 
fishonjazz said:
I have a question.
So I have always thought that there are checks and balances in our government meaning that a single man or woman (the POTUS) can't just do whatever they want.

If this still holds true (I'm not sure it does anymore) then if someone who wants reparations were to get elected president then wouldn't the whole reparations idea have to pass through the house/Senate/Congress or whatever first?
Or can presidents just use executive orders or something to do what ever they want now? Have they always been able to do executive orders on anything and just didn't in the past? Or did they do them in the past too? Is there only certain things a president can use executive orders on? Only a certain number of times?

@The Thriller
@Stoked
@Zombie
@Catchall
@Gameface
@colton


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fishonjazz said:
So what are executive orders then? Do they also have to pass through Congress?

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Anyone able to answer these questions?

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