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Bawse Dawg said:

So as long as they don’t ‘want’ it you’re fine with it and think it’s necessary?

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I think it should be banned all together.

Elizah Huge said:

You’re anti-trans. You can’t have it both ways. The whole premise is allowing them to be what they want not limiting it to whatever you think is right. So you’re ok with it until it affects your daughter or someone else’s daughter.

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There always have been limits and rules in sports silly. That is not a new concept. I think its ok to have limits and rules in sports. But not in simply going about your daily, non competitive sports, life of being you. If a sport decided that they weren't going to let fishonjazz be in it then i could live with that but if society decided that fishonjazz cant exist then i would have more of a problem with that.

fishonjazz said:

what is so confusing about not being against a trans person going to work and concerts and the beach and everything we all do but just not being in competitive sports where there could be an unfair advantage? Are you just too stupid to understand nuance or something?

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Dude the whole premise of trans is you feel like you’re a different gender. By not allowing them to participate in things of that gender you are disagreeing with the entire premise.

Elizah Huge said:

I said old. Not dirty. Feeling guilty about something?

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You said I was an old man interested in kids. So yeah, you did call me a dirty old man. You can GFYS.

now on ignore

fishonjazz said:

There always have been limits and rules in sports silly. That is not a new concept.

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Yes male and female lol which you are saying a transgender female is not a female.

Fish is anti-trans but is afraid to admit it or just doesn’t realize it yet.

Elizah Huge said:

Dude the whole premise of trans is you feel like you’re a different gender. By not allowing them to participate in things of that gender you are disagreeing with the entire premise.

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You seem to think trans = sports competitor.
I think it just equals person.

fishonjazz said:

You seem to think trans = sports competitor.
I think it just equals person.

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You seem to think they’re two different things they’re not. What if I said tall people can do whatever they want but they can’t play basketball because they’re born with an advantage. See how that doesn’t make sense?

If a sport decided that they weren't going to let fishonjazz be in it then i could live with that but if society decided that fishonjazz cant exist then i would have more of a problem with that.

Not wanting transgender-females to play in female sports is anti-trans.

Elizah Huge said:

You seem to think they’re two different things they’re not. What if I said tall people can do whatever they want but they can’t play basketball because they’re born with an advantage. See how that doesn’t make sense?

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If i was a tall person and a sports league made a rule that tall people cant play then I would be fine. But if society tried to make me not exist then that would suck. If im 20 years old and want to play in a kids league why cant I? Rules.

Elizah Huge said:

Not wanting transgender-females to play in female sports is anti-trans in female sports.

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fixed.

I tried to be patient with you. Not going to anymore. Ignored.

As with most things it’s not black and white and can be handled on a case by case basis without demonizing and othering an entire group of people, who already have zero support from their communities, by default.

It’s a minuscule issue that somehow half the country was hoodwinked into thinking kids are under attack by the trans community.

Bawse Dawg said:

As with most things it’s not black and white and can be handled on a case by case basis without demonizing and othering an entire group of people ,who already have zero support from their communities, by default.

It’s a minuscule issue that somehow half the country was hoodwinked into thinking kids are under attack by the trans community.

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Can someone explain to me how you can agree with someone who thinks they are a female but won’t let them play in a female sport? Isn’t that against the entire premise?

Fwiw I dont think biological males should play competitive sports against biological females. But I also understand that sports have rules and I don't decide those rules.
If a sports league decided to allow trans women in their league then even though I don't agree with that I wouldn't throw a fit about it either. I would shrug my shoulders and move on with my life.
Definitely wouldn't effect who I vote for president lololololololol

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I think it really depends on the sport. I also think it should depend on age, as I remember that most, if not all, sporting activities in elementary school, when I was in elementary school, were co-ed. Wasn't a problem and wasn't a political issue.

Contact sports involving teens or above, maybe transgender girls shouldn't be allowed.

The darts team, probably okay if they are allowed. Chess team, seems okay.

Sardines said:

I think it really depends on the sport. I also think it should depend on age, as I remember that most, if not all, sporting activities in elementary school, when I was in elementary school, were co-ed. Wasn't a problem and wasn't a political issue.

Contact sports involving teens or above, maybe transgender girls shouldn't be allowed.

The darts team, probably okay if they are allowed. Chess team, seems okay.

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Ya I'm also against a 200 pound woman fighting against a 120 pound woman in MMA.
I'm against a woman with legs competing against a woman without legs in the special Olympics.
I don't think a 20 years woman should compete against a 14 year old.
There are lots of different types of woman. Not all of them should be allowed to compete against the other ones. Trans woman is a type of woman as well. I dont know how the sports world should handle trans women. I don't think the president should have **** all to do with it though, that's for sure and how sports handle trans women won't affect how I vote for president at all.
But I do think all of those people should be able to live their lives however they want outside the world of sports as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

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One kind of funny thing this discussion reminded me of: when I was in my 20's I had a friend playing in a really fun basketball league where they used 9 foot hoops. I wasn't allowed to play in that league though because you had to be under 6 feet tall and I was 6 foot 3.

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Sardines said:

Who is pushing what? You absolutely have no idea how this process works. You think there is peer pressure to put your kid on hormone blockers? Get ****ing real, man.

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In some circles there is, but it is absolutely not wide-spread, but there are communities, even on facebook, one of them was called "Trans-mommies" or something like that and it was a bunch of 20-somethings showing off their "trans" 3 year-old's pictures, and the more androgenous they could make them look the more accolades they got from the group. My wife went down this particular rabbit hole when our daughter moved in with her trans partner, and my wife wanted to try to understand their lifestyle. There are some really messed up people out there.


It must be remembered that children are insanely impressionable and programmed to seek out new experiences, and to want to belong. And they are notoriously bad at making life-altering decisions.

Also, as far as schools notifying parents about children's behavior, that happens all the time. My parents found out I needed glasses because I had a teacher that told them that at the beginning of the year I always sat in the back of the class, but by mid-year I was sitting in the front of the class. It was a behavior change worth mentioning to the parents. I think if Billy comes to school one day and says "now my pronouns are she/her" it is worth mentioning to the parents so they can provide the proper support, if they were not aware. And yes it is the parent's responsibility to handle that kind of transition with their children, not the school.

But that is just like, you know, my opinion, man.