What is going on with Collier?

Tanktastic said:

There are players that are solid contributors on solid teams as rookies already. Or at least showing signs of growth. While others are pretty much the worst player in the whole league getting consistent minutes. It's not the expectation to be a star as a rookie, but not embarrass yourself in relation to the rest of the draft class.


Because the players aren't in on it. And the NBA and the Players Association will come down on the franchise should they try.

And losing by 50 every night certainly wouldn't "give development" to anyone. Quite the opposite.

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Nah. It’s always been the same. Rookies play like rookies and develop at different paces. We don’t know yet what Cody and Collier will become—solid players or busts. No one knows. To say otherwise, after just a couple of months in, doesn’t make much sense.

The Jazz Wonderbra said:

Collier has flashes as a true point guard. He reads situations well. There is a lot to like about him.

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He reads the situations well?! Collier has one of the highest turnover rates for all NBA players: the only players turning the ball more than him are several clumsy bigs. He constantly misreads the situations and makes wrong passes that nobody can catch.

The Jazz Wonderbra said:

He reads situations well.

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lmfao

He does not read situations at all.

He's got great downhill speed and strength, that's about it at this point. When he accidentally leverages those to his advantage, he can make a play here and there, but his reads are bottom of the barrel.

He's absolute ***, and that's fine. He was a bad college player who decided to declare because he wanted to go pro. He got lucky he got a guaranteed first round deal. He shouldnt have come out in terms of his development process, but he did, so hopefully it works out, but I doubt the Jazz will give him a huge leash if he doesnt show some significant improvement next year, especially if they draft another PG in next year's draft.

Saint Cy of JFC said:

lmfao

He does not read situations at all.

He's got great downhill speed and strength, that's about it at this point. When he accidentally leverages those to his advantage, he can make a play here and there, but his reads are bottom of the barrel.

He's absolute ***, and that's fine. He was a bad college player who decided to declare because he wanted to go pro. He got lucky he got a guaranteed first round deal. He shouldnt have come out in terms of his development process, but he did, so hopefully it works out, but I doubt the Jazz will give him a huge leash if he doesnt show some significant improvement next year, especially if they draft another PG in next year's draft.

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Holy Jared Butler Batman.

One of the things that annoys me about Collier is his frequent probing dribbling inside. He is not Steve Nash: his dribbling is slow and prone to turnovers, he is no threat to explode to the rim or pull up for a jump shot. He usually ends it by passing it back to someone on the perimeter who is not in the greatest position. By contrast, Keyonte is usually waiting with the ball on the perimeter for someone to get open inside or, when he goes in he goes fast and furious and collapses the defense.

jazznik said:

One of the things that annoys me about Collier is his frequent probing dribbling inside. He is not Steve Nash: his dribbling is slow and prone to turnovers, he is no threat to explode to the rim or pull up for a jump shot. He usually ends it by passing it back to someone on the perimeter who is not in the greatest position. By contrast, Keyonte is usually waiting with the ball on the perimeter for someone to get open inside or, when he goes in he goes fast and furious and collapses the defense.

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Key ain't no point guard.

homeytennis said:

Key ain't no point guard.

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And that makes the fact that Keyonte is much better than Collier at setting up his teammates and reading the situations especially disappointing.

By 'reads situations' I mean... he is reading the defenders and trying to play off of them. If you can't see what he is trying to do, then you don't understand basketball. He pulls defenders away from where he wants to pass the ball regularly. He is constantly TRYING to set people up. Keyonte, on the other hand, gets the ball and decides between shoot or drive. A total lack of awareness of others and how to set them up for easy buckets. Collier isn't even hardly ever looking to shoot. He wants to penetrate and dish.

Because he SUCKS at shooting and he really isn't a great threat at the rim either, teams just lay off of him and dare him beat them - even in the paint. So, when he penetrates, he isn't pulling defenders to him and he regularly runs out of options. The option he DOES NOT want (shoot) is the one teams are giving him.

So, he isn't able to play his game at the NBA level, but clearly that ability to read defenders, pull defenders, and set guys up is the style that he WANTS to play. The speed of play is not helping him do it.

IF Collier could finish in the paint better, I think his playmaking skills would show much better. I also think he will learn to protect the ball better as the game slows down. But Keyonte doesn't see the game at all.

just dominates, that's all.

jazznik said:

He reads the situations well?! Collier has one of the highest turnover rates for all NBA players: the only players turning the ball more than him are several clumsy bigs. He constantly misreads the situations and makes wrong passes that nobody can catch.

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Where yall now?

He still makes mistakes but 2 weeks ago I got all sorts of mockery for saying he is a player trying to set guys up. Now that the game is slowing down and he is reducing his turnovers you can see what he was TRYING to do before. He is a setup man.

Give him the key to the city

I’m very upset with Collier!! He didn’t need that last bucket, we’d still be singing his praises even without it. Please don’t blow the tank, pleaseeeeeee!!!!

I continue to be surprised at how athletic Collier is vertically.