Bump, we have to have a solution that discourages/eliminates losing on purpose while giving the teams that most need talent the highest draft picks.
Solving For Tanking, We're smart, let's figure it out
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jom2003
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Insert the Jazz/Spurs clause. If a team moved up/down by a X number of spots in the lottery, the cause would forbid them from moving up/down again for X number of years of lotteries they are participating(if they make the playoffs and skip the lottery, that year won't count).
This is to solely prevent teams from consistently getting shafted like the Jazz, who never moved up even a single spot in the 40 year history of NBA lottery. Or teams like the Spurs who consistently moved up(including the three in a row they just had from 23-25) and never moved down even once in their history. It is a broken system if two teams can have such different "luck" over 40 years just by pure "chance".
This is to solely prevent teams from consistently getting shafted like the Jazz, who never moved up even a single spot in the 40 year history of NBA lottery. Or teams like the Spurs who consistently moved up(including the three in a row they just had from 23-25) and never moved down even once in their history. It is a broken system if two teams can have such different "luck" over 40 years just by pure "chance".
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I also think the lottery isn't meant for teams like Dallas/PHI who missed the playoffs due to injury. I've proposed an "All NBA" clause as well, that if you have a player on your team that has made All NBA in the past however many years that you are not eligible to make the lottery as well.
Strutter
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I feel like I posted this elsewhere, but assuming you want to keep both goals, I think there should be a lottery carryover system. So similar system (flatter odds, lottery for 1-4, playoffs mean you get no lottery balls) but if you don't "win the lottery" you get to keep your lottery chances for the next season you're in the lottery. If you win any of the lottery picks, you lose those chances. And that should stack for multiple seasons (probably with some type of 3-5 year cap. So with a 5 year cap, if the Jazz were the worst team again next season, they'd be looking at around a 40% chance for each lottery draw (14+14+4+4). With multiple lottery picks in one year, the second you win a lottery pick, that extra advantage disappears.
Biggest issue here is how to grandfather it in.
Interesting. I think this definitely helps to even out the luck of the lottery, I'm not sure how it helps tanking, except for the fact that the benefit is likely delayed.
jom2003
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Or just lock the lottery odds and even conduct the draft lottery midseason. Like 1-2 weeks before the season ends. So we don't have teams pivot half way knowing playoffs is out of reach so they intentionally throw games away like the Spurs and Sixers(which unironically is "tanking" by definition, as opposed to teams like us and WAS/CHA that were horrible from the start). So teams would be more willing to make a final push to make the play-in cuz the odds were already set and had no bearing on how they finish the season. And it also rewards teams that play the hardest towards the end of the season cuz they can essentially be locked for a lottery spot while going on a late run to all the way make the playoffs. And also punish teams for load managing their players towards the end of the season in anticipation for the playoffs cuz all teams will have incentives to play harder now.
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GunterD
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However things shake out with changes, this lottery was absolutely an example of why the current system is the most absolutely worst thing they could possibly do, aside from a system that further flattens the odds.
All the teams that got bumped out of the top slots are now just going to continue to perpetuate their tanks until they get lucky. Rich got richer and broken teams in need of help didn't get it. Isn't going to discourage tanking in any way, just increase the number of teams trying to tank at once, and increase the length of time teams tank until they can rebuild. Lot of the ideas in this thread are flawed, but most would still be better than this.
All the teams that got bumped out of the top slots are now just going to continue to perpetuate their tanks until they get lucky. Rich got richer and broken teams in need of help didn't get it. Isn't going to discourage tanking in any way, just increase the number of teams trying to tank at once, and increase the length of time teams tank until they can rebuild. Lot of the ideas in this thread are flawed, but most would still be better than this.
Strutter
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I think it helps tanking about as much as the system does now (which obviously doesn't 100% discourage tanking). But it also flattens the curve a bit so the results aren't so spikey. With the proposed format, it's not as damning to end up as a bad but not terrible team for a few years. You still have a higher chance at a lottery pick than a team that mega-tanked for a single year.
I can see the benefits, but I just think there needs to be more.
Ok, here's my latest thought:
Make the number one pick much more selective:
- Can only win once every 10 years
- Ineligible if you were a top 6 team the year before.
Making it just for the number one pick helps when you win the pick in a bad draft.
Make the number one pick much more selective:
- Can only win once every 10 years
- Ineligible if you were a top 6 team the year before.
Making it just for the number one pick helps when you win the pick in a bad draft.
Just do The Wheel. It's a perfect system. It solves tanking and makes trading picks a more exact value proposition and not a crazy bet cycle.