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The NBA and its stakeholders have started talks on finding new solutions to prevent tanking

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Locking in positions after March 1st seems tricky to me. So what if you have a really front or back loaded schedule? Are we getting an accurate representation of who is bad/good? Seems like a bandaid solution to improve Post-March basketball, but it's just going to make early season have harder tanking.
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This is to prevent teams like sixers/Mavs/Spurs that were intentionally tanking the last two months of the season to make sure they stay in the lottery. Yeah it’s still flawed but it absolutely needs to be done. Intentionally shutting down your stars for the year when they were actually available to return is the very definition of tanking. You shouldn't get to “test the water” to see if you can make the playoffs in the beginning of the season and then when things went south, shut down everyone and tank the **** out for the ultimate price. We can't let that 2025 lottery ******** happen again and the league knows that. Bad teams are bad consistently throughout the year. Tanking teams are not.
 
jom2003 said:
This is to prevent teams like sixers/Mavs/Spurs that were intentionally tanking the last two months of the season to make sure they stay in the lottery. Yeah it’s still flawed but it absolutely needs to be done. Intentionally shutting down your stars for the year when they were actually available to return is the very definition of tanking. You shouldn't get to “test the water” to see if you can make the playoffs in the beginning of the season and then when things went south, shut down everyone and tank the **** out for the ultimate price. We can't let that 2025 lottery ******** happen again and the league knows that.
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So they just sit their stars in January/February and play them in March....
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
So they just sit their stars in January/February and play them in March....
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Yeah I'm sure there are workarounds but the league still get a more exciting product out of it. Like an actual competitive race for the playoffs in the last couple of weeks of the season, instead of watching half of the teams bringing out their scrubs.
 
jom2003 said:
Yeah I'm sure there are workarounds but the league still get a more exciting product out of it. Like an actual competitive race for the playoffs in the last couple of weeks of the season, instead of watching half of the teams bringing out their scrubs.
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I guess that is a good point. March/April should be basketball's time to shine since Football is over and MLB doesnt start til late March, but it is the worst basketball of the season.

But like what if a team has the 10th seed for draft position when March starts, then they make the playoffs? I guess whoever got bounced out of the playoffs would just move into the draft and everyone above that team would get bumped up a slot? So you would still have teams tank to not make the playoffs in the scenario they have a lottery protected pick (which would be solved by removing all pick protections).
 
The league should just consult Jazzfanz:

SoberasHotRod

Thread 'Solving For Tanking, We're smart, let's figure it out'

I think the majority of us would agree that sitting a healthy 23 year old Walker Kessler to make it more likely that we lose a game to have better lottery odds is a problem in the NBA. Teams should be incentivized to win as many games while achieving other goals like player development, etc. Flattening the odds has probably helped, but we are proof this year that it didn't fix the problem. It's possible that any proposal to fix the solution would create more negative effects than we currently have, but we should at least try.

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I don't like the March idea, as others have stated it would just change when tanking happens. I do like the limiting how frequently high picks can happen, but that only reduces tanking by a few teams. It also is problematic due to drafts not being equal. Removing protections could be good, but would only reduce tanking by a few teams. It would be difficult to remove protections entirely because of the value of an unprotected pick. I guess you might combine enough ideas to limit tanking to just a few teams and then it might be fine at that point.

I've stated this before, but I think you have to provide alternative ways for small market teams to build a team in any effort to reduce building through the draft.
 
KqWIN said:
Maybe the “opt out” can just be trading out of the pick if you’ve won the lotto. I’m also just ok with saying beggars can’t be choosers.

I’m also ok with “tear down” being a less legitimate/effective strategy.
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I think the tear down looking less immediate will prevent some teams from tanking (which could be good or bad) but that's kind of what they want... right?

I think allowing teams to opt out of eligibility for a certain pick, say its a 1 or 2 player draft, is fine. I also think almost no one would opt out. Also, fine with saying tough ****.

The draft is basically NBA socialism. If its going to be socialist it should consider other factors than just a 6 month period. If you got big benefits before (San Antonio) or won 50 games last year (indiana and LA) then maybe your "net worth" prevents you from getting benefits.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
The league should just consult Jazzfanz:

SoberasHotRod

Thread 'Solving For Tanking, We're smart, let's figure it out'

I think the majority of us would agree that sitting a healthy 23 year old Walker Kessler to make it more likely that we lose a game to have better lottery odds is a problem in the NBA. Teams should be incentivized to win as many games while achieving other goals like player development, etc. Flattening the odds has probably helped, but we are proof this year that it didn't fix the problem. It's possible that any proposal to fix the solution would create more negative effects than we currently have, but we should at least try.

This thread is to post your proposed solution (it doesn't...
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The ****** team draft would feed families.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I guess that is a good point. March/April should be basketball's time to shine since Football is over and MLB doesnt start til late March, but it is the worst basketball of the season.

But like what if a team has the 10th seed for draft position when March starts, then they make the playoffs? I guess whoever got bounced out of the playoffs would just move into the draft and everyone above that team would get bumped up a slot? So you would still have teams tank to not make the playoffs in the scenario they have a lottery protected pick (which would be solved by removing all pick protections).
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March/April basketball will probably always be bad as there are going to be more legitimate injuries by then and even good teams are resting players in preparation for the playoffs. Also, bad teams might not sit their good players, but once you are eliminated from the playoffs you are more likely to prioritize playing young players that are part of your future.
 
There are some good ideas. The no lottery in back to back years is good. (I can't believe the spurs have 3 top 4picks in the past 4 years)

Also the calculating based on previous years also makes sense.
 
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