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Game Thread Jan 08, 2026 07:00PM MT: Dallas Mavericks @ Utah Jazz

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fishonjazz said:
Or wikipedia: Tanking in sports refers to the practice of intentionally fielding non-competitive teams to take advantage of league rules that benefit losing teams.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanking#cite_note-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> Tanking teams are usually seeking top picks in the next draft, since league rules generally give the highest draft picks to the teams with the worst records in the previous season. Teams that decide to start tanking often do so by trading away star players in order to reduce payroll and bring in younger prospects.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanking#cite_note-WashPost20180302-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> While the terms tanking and rebuilding are sometimes used interchangeably, there are differences between the two concepts.

But everyone has their own definitions of tanking.

I have already said mine: Tanking = making decisions that make you worse short term in the hopes that you get better long term. To me tanking is trying to lose. If you make a trade that you are hoping results in more losing then you just made a tank trade

So when I refer to tanking that is what I am referring to. Trading gobert, donovan, bogey, royce, getting rid of snyder, trading conley, sitting healthy players, etc is tanking to me. One of those moves (gobert trade) resulted in the jazz getting the 16th pick in the draft and having Keyonte George on our team. So to me, if the jazz never decide to tank then the jazz dont have keyonte george on their team. So by that logic we got george by deciding to tank. Working it backwards, how did we get Keyonte? With the 16 pick in the draft. How did we get the 16th pick in the draft? By trading Rudy Gobert. Why did we trade Rudy Gobert? Cause we decided it was time to tank.


I mean its the internet, which has everything, so maybe someone can find something out there in the interwebs that says trading a star player for prospects and picks goes against the tactic/strategy of tanking. Idk. To me trading star players for picks and prospects is definitely an aspect of tanking.
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I guess when you can make up your own definitions you'll never be wrong
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I guess when you can make up your own definitions you'll never be wrong
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I'm just trying to prevent future confusion.
Now that people know my definition of tanking, if I say something like "the jazz should make a tanking trade by trading Nurkic for a worse player who will bring more losses and a 2nd round pick" then people can read it as "the jazz should make a rebuilding trade by trading Nurkic for a worse player who will bring more losses and a 2nd round pick"

Then they don't have to be like "but that isn't a tanking move, it's just a rebuilding move".
 
A lot of the onus to trade Gobert was based on DA not believing in his contract point. It was a move he made independent of trading Donovan.

If a deal for Donovan never materializes, is the trade for Keyonte still "tanking"?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
A lot of the onus to trade Gobert was based on DA not believing in his contract point. It was a move he made independent of trading Donovan.

If a deal for Donovan never materializes, is the trade for Keyonte still "tanking"?
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We disagree. The jazz cleaned house. They burned it down. They made trades and letting go of coaches as part of a bigger strategy to tank.
They could have traded Gobert for a win now player to help Donovan, conley, bogey, royce, Clarkson, quinn etc stay on that playoff/championship hunt.

They wanted to suck though hoping to draft their next star player.

They new that a deal for a young entering his prime superstar dunk contest winning easily marketable player would materialize. Of that there was no doubt. Just had to figure out which offer from which team to take.

Now if they decided not to trade Donovan and still wanted to trade Rudy then I think the return on Rudy would have looked different.

Personally I wish they would have never decided to tank that summer. I hate tanking and hope we never do it again. Relies too much on luck and having to do shenanigans.
 
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fishonjazz said:
We disagree. The jazz cleaned house. They burned it down. They made trades and letting go of coaches as part of a bigger strategy to tank.
They could have traded Gobert for a win now player to help Donovan, conley, bogey, royce, Clarkson, quinn etc stay on that playoff/championship hunt.

They wanted to suck though hoping to draft their next star player.

They new that a deal for a young entering his prime superstar dunk contest winning easily marketable player would materialize. Of that there was no doubt. Just had to figure out which offer from which team to take.
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The Keyonte trade happened outside of tanking. The move would have had happened with or without tanking. You are wrong. Tony Jones has said the Gobert trade was happening with or without Donovan staying
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Keyonte trade happened outside of tanking. The move would have had happened with or without tanking. You are wrong. Tony Jones has said the Gobert trade was happening with or without Donovan staying
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I misunderstood how stupid the jazz are I guess. Man that would have been a dumb trade if they were keeping Donovan.
Make the team way worse and piss off your young star.
That would be a really bad tank trade.
Move your pick from like 28th to 20th or something. Though maybe it pisses off your star enough that he forces a trade and you can still get into the lottery I guess. Would be a poor way to do it though.
 
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fishonjazz said:
I misunderstood how stupid the jazz are I guess. Man that would have been a dumb trade if they were keeping Donovan.
Make the team way worse and piss off your young star.
That would be a really bad tank trade.
Move your pick from like 28th to 20th or something. Though maybe it pisses off your star enough that he forces a trade and you can still get into the lottery I guess. Would be a poor way to do it though.
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We had people saying rookie year Kessler was as good as Gobert, so the Jazz would have been fine and Mitchell would have gotten over it.

Keyonte is not a product of tanking. He is a product of a trade to restructure the Jazz's financial future.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
We had people saying rookie year Kessler was as good as Gobert, so the Jazz would have been fine and Mitchell would have gotten over it.

Keyonte is not a product of tanking. He is a product of a trade to restructure the Jazz's financial future.
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Nah we had people saying kessler belonged in the G league
 
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