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ICE Shooting in Minnesota


“The best they can do is shoot the guy in the back?” That’s not the voice of some liberal commentator. That’s what a homeland security officer told me this weekend, one of over half a dozen who have reached out to express their alarm over the killing of Alex Pretti in Minneapolis and beyond.

I’ve listened to the stories and the beefs of immigration officers in Minneapolis across the country, and to a person, they all blame the shooter, one of their own. The major media is stuck on framing the killing of Alex Pretti as some national and partisan battle, highlighting Republicans breaking ranks, the NRA protesting, MAGA wavering, and Chuck Schumer doing whatever he’s doing, but no one is really capturing what the federal law enforcement officers on the ground are thinking. The truth is that they’re fed up and have been for weeks.

They paint a picture that is more Police Academy (or even Reno 911!) than a Gestapo on the march. Yes, they agree that Washington is a huge problem and are uncomfortable with the mission creep that is taking them away from actual immigration enforcement. But internally? Theirs is also a story of gung-ho 19-year-olds, drunken stakeouts, and senior officers disappearing into meetings and all of a sudden needing time off.

They are also frustrated with the narrative unfolding and the information war being waged from Washington, including the flamboyant defense of the shooting and other controversial moves on the ground.

“As much as I support this administration there needs to be more common sense in situations like this, not a knee jerk damage control narrative that does not line up with the evidence on video,” one Border Patrol agent said in a private chat group that was shared with me. “This individual was shot 8 to 9 times while unarmed.”

“We can’t always support what happens just because it’s one of us,” he adds.

An ICE agent was even more critical. “Yet another ‘justified’ fatal shooting … ten versus one and somehow they couldn’t find a way to subdue the guy or use a less than lethal [means],” the agent said. “They all carry belts and vests with 9,000 pieces of equipment on them and the best they can do is shoot a guy in the back?”

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Several agents described receiving briefings about retaliatory threats to ICE inspired by the Minneapolis shooting. “Guys take it really serious, like we are fighting insurgents,” as if Minneapolis is Baghdad, an ICE officer said.

Though all of the federal agents I’ve spoken to this weekend support immigration enforcement, they indeed see the Minneapolis operation as something else entirely — an open-ended counterinsurgency in a faraway land and under an out-of-touch leadership in Washington more concerned with optics than immigration.

“This is a no-win situation for agents on the ground or immigration enforcement overall,” a Border Patrol agent said in the private group chat shared with me.

He closed on a plaintive note: “I think it’s time to pull out of Minnesota, that battle is lost.”

“F*** this,” a senior ICE officer said about the shooting of Pretti.
 
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The funny thing about Franklin comparison is that there is a good comparison to me made. He is just missing it.
Rittenhouse unnecessarily committed murder. The ICE agent unnecessarily committed murder.

There is the proper equivalency.
 
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Kind of ironic that the reason the pretti death might spark change to the trump administration deportation tactics is BECAUSE he had a gun.

If he didn't have a gun then trump wouldn't have made the statement that carrying a gun means you are a criminal and wouldn't have pissed off the NRA and the political right. If he didn't have a gun then he is just another dead leftist and the right shrugs and moves along. But they killed a gun owner who was obeying the law? That changes things and adds a whole new dynamic to the situation.
 
Kind of ironic that the reason the pretti death might spark change to the trump administration deportation tactics is BECAUSE he had a gun.

If he didn't have a gun then trump wouldn't have made the statement that carrying a gun means you are a criminal and wouldn't have pissed off the NRA and the political right. If he didn't have a gun then he is just another dead leftist and the right shrugs and moves along. But they killed a gun owner who was obeying the law? That changes things and adds a whole new dynamic to the situation.

Only in America would that be a thing.
 

“The best they can do is shoot the guy in the back?” That’s not the voice of some liberal commentator. That’s what a homeland security officer told me this weekend, one of over half a dozen who have reached out to express their alarm over the killing of Alex Pretti in Minneapolis and beyond.

I’ve listened to the stories and the beefs of immigration officers in Minneapolis across the country, and to a person, they all blame the shooter, one of their own. The major media is stuck on framing the killing of Alex Pretti as some national and partisan battle, highlighting Republicans breaking ranks, the NRA protesting, MAGA wavering, and Chuck Schumer doing whatever he’s doing, but no one is really capturing what the federal law enforcement officers on the ground are thinking. The truth is that they’re fed up and have been for weeks.

They paint a picture that is more Police Academy (or even Reno 911!) than a Gestapo on the march. Yes, they agree that Washington is a huge problem and are uncomfortable with the mission creep that is taking them away from actual immigration enforcement. But internally? Theirs is also a story of gung-ho 19-year-olds, drunken stakeouts, and senior officers disappearing into meetings and all of a sudden needing time off.

They are also frustrated with the narrative unfolding and the information war being waged from Washington, including the flamboyant defense of the shooting and other controversial moves on the ground.

“As much as I support this administration there needs to be more common sense in situations like this, not a knee jerk damage control narrative that does not line up with the evidence on video,” one Border Patrol agent said in a private chat group that was shared with me. “This individual was shot 8 to 9 times while unarmed.”

“We can’t always support what happens just because it’s one of us,” he adds.

An ICE agent was even more critical. “Yet another ‘justified’ fatal shooting … ten versus one and somehow they couldn’t find a way to subdue the guy or use a less than lethal [means],” the agent said. “They all carry belts and vests with 9,000 pieces of equipment on them and the best they can do is shoot a guy in the back?”

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Several agents described receiving briefings about retaliatory threats to ICE inspired by the Minneapolis shooting. “Guys take it really serious, like we are fighting insurgents,” as if Minneapolis is Baghdad, an ICE officer said.

Though all of the federal agents I’ve spoken to this weekend support immigration enforcement, they indeed see the Minneapolis operation as something else entirely — an open-ended counterinsurgency in a faraway land and under an out-of-touch leadership in Washington more concerned with optics than immigration.

“This is a no-win situation for agents on the ground or immigration enforcement overall,” a Border Patrol agent said in the private group chat shared with me.

He closed on a plaintive note: “I think it’s time to pull out of Minnesota, that battle is lost.”

“F*** this,” a senior ICE officer said about the shooting of Pretti.

Its completely amateurish but with practice they will get better at executing citizens.
 
No, I don’t believe that’s going to happen. Not after Pretti’s execution.

What's changed? Are the Brown Shirts facing charges? Have they stopped brutalising people on the street? Its just another PR pivot, there will be some other outrage that Trump unleashes tomorrow, maybe they bomb Mexico or Columbia? Iran?

Continue to flood the zone, cause chaos, divide and conquer.
 
What's changed? Are the Brown Shirts facing charges? Have they stopped brutalising people on the street? Its just another PR pivot, there will be some other outrage that Trump unleashes tomorrow, maybe they bomb Mexico or Columbia? Iran?

Continue to flood the zone, cause chaos, divide and conquer.
What changed is the People are rising up. IMHO. You don’t have to agree, I understand. I believe in the goodness of the American people. I see the uproar over a citizen’s very public execution. I believe we will overcome this attempt to establish an Americanized fascist movement in my country, and we will toss MAGA into the dustbin of history. It’s not us. Oh sure, since it is happening, I guess I could say, “no, sadly, it IS us, and always has been. An ugly, hateful, intolerant people”. Well, some Americans certainly fit that description. Stephen Miller. Donald Trump. Greg Bovino, Kristi Noem. Fascists one and all, in their hearts. And that’s where fascism starts: in a heart that know only anger and hatred. I chose to believe the strength and duration of our democratic institutions, our goodness, and the fact the freedom loving world long looked to us as a force of GOOD in the world.

You may think nothing has changed, and I can see it getting far worse still. Did you read the post I left, describing how ICE agents themselves are pissed off? Bovino was stripped of his position, and his social media account terminated. That’s one change. But I hear you. I chose to believe in my country, still, and will not give up hope. Why should I?

Bovino, in his Gestapo style trench coat:

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What's changed? Are the Brown Shirts facing charges? Have they stopped brutalising people on the street? Its just another PR pivot, there will be some other outrage that Trump unleashes tomorrow, maybe they bomb Mexico or Columbia? Iran?

Continue to flood the zone, cause chaos, divide and conquer.
I also just posted this in a different thread:

I agree. You had opined in a previous comment, that we were at an inflection point. I tend to agree. Trump and MAGA are an overwhelmingly negative movement, focused on anger, and the application of anger toward “the other”, undocumented humans, and towards anyone who disagrees or gets in the way. On the street, innocent citizens exercising their rights become “domestic terrorists”. If they are citizens, who simply voice disagreement with Trump, they become “the enemy within”.

I’ve always been of the opinion that highly negative movements really cannot be maintained in the long run. Executing citizens and identifying them as terrorists is that bridge too far. Impossible to maintain such a stance! It can’t be done, IMHO. Sooner or later, these populists eruptions of hatred and anger run their course. I might sound pie eyed, Putin managed to do in Russia what his disciple Donald Trump is attempting to do in the United States. It’s lasted decades there, and in other authoritarian regimes. And I guess we can know now what it’s like to be a dissident on the streets of Moscow. But not forever. I don’t believe it will work here, as hard as Trump is trying. Our democratic traditions will win out, IMHO. Just don’t yet know how it will all play out, or how much uglier and tumultuous it will get. But I do think we are at a turning point.
 
Its completely amateurish but with practice they will get better at executing citizens.
Unfortunately this is true. It isn't a huge stretch to see them just start rounding up people like Pretti instead of killing them in the streets. Then killing them in a camp somewhere.

The big mistake the Trump admin made in this regard is just signing up any rabid redneck with a gun and a murder fetish. That will be their undoing since those people are undisciplined and uncontrollable. You better believe that the men who executed Pretti and the guy who killed Good all had dreams of killing people with impunity. You don't do what you cannot or do not imagine first. So a vide of a cop showing restraint with his firearm shows a guy that imagines being under control. These guys imagined killing, first and foremost, as zero restraint was shown. But that will be their undoing in the end. As the german populace showed, do it in relative private with no fanfare and the ordinary people can learn to tolerate any atrocity, as long as it is rumor and hearsay.
 
It isn't a huge stretch to see them just start rounding up people like Pretti instead of killing them in the streets. Then killing them in a camp somewhere
Rachel Maddow was talking last night about the growing resistance to building ICE Detention centers all over the country. I could not find that discussion yet, but she talked about it last week as well.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0us6Sg8cZKg


 
I wore the wrong teams jersey to a football game.
My neighbor raped The Rocks kid.

We both made dumb decisions that put ourselves in danger. The two situations are the exact same and my neighbor and myself should face the same consequences!

Aren't false equivalencies fun!

This was one of your worst takes ever lol.
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I dunno, I look at this as how I would advise my children.

Green light:
Wearing wrong team jersey to a football game.

Use caution:
Driving, skiing, playing night games with friends, attending a protest at the capitol.

Definitely avoid:
Raping The Rock
Carrying an AR15 into an active riot
Joining an organized police agitator and disruption group actively stalking police. Arm yourself. Agitate police in a high tension environment that may be on the verge of riot or armed resistance, interfere with a police action and push an officer, resist arrest.

I think further caution should be used given this is Trump’s ICE. I’ll risk being presumptive here: bad actors within ICE are emboldened by Trump administration’s nasty rhetoric. The **** coming from this guy and other high levels is beyond the pale. You don’t think a bad actor might interpret this as leadership having your back no matter how controversial your actions? That they can shoot first at the slightest whiff of personal danger, ask questions later?

What the guy did without the current ICE context was beyond ill advised. Given the context it was outright stupidity. Ask yourself this before responding: do you have faith in the Trump administration to allow a full, independent investigation into ICE shootings and honestly hold bad actors accountable? I ****ing don’t.
 
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