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Been through this before but I'll give it one more try..... Were there better offers that would have helped the team more than the one Danny accepted? I tend to think Danny knows more than I do about this so I'd say that it is highly unlikely that he had a bias so strong for 2024 draft that he...

You have many embedded assumptions in your argument (Simone is young, he has a lot of upside, Simone is going to get a reasonable contract that would be in the Jazz's best interest to match, other teams made better offers for Simone that they rejected, etc.) Pointing out the fact that an...

You said that the 384th youngest player in the league is "young" (71% of the league is younger). I did not say he was old, you (incredibly) said he was young.

Does he have an opinion on whether or not Simone is young?

Two useful players? .......Korkmaz was waived. .......McDermott was salary filler. About 5 ppg this year. Questionable whether he will be in the rotation. The Jazz got more for Simone than the Pacers got for Hield.

The average age of an NBA player is 26, Simone is 28. The Jazz investing significant cap space for a low rotation piece into his 30s does not match our timeline.

It is not sarcasm. Your entire argument is that the Jazz chose a far inferior deal due to their irrational desire for precisely the kinds of picks they got, that the late firstish were not coincidental and merely the best they could get, but they are specifically targeted. These are far...

OKC trades Mann, choosing Simone over Hayward, please let's be realistic I'd love moving Simone for Grimes, but let's be realistic Hard pass on Springer, he'd destroy spacing

Let's compare the Simone trade to the Hield trade: 2nd round picks: 2024 Simone - 2nd pick 2024 Buddy -- 6th pick 2022 Simone -- 6th pick (Procida) 2029 Buddy -- ?? pick You seriously think Hield yielded twice the value?

Okay, I give in. Danny desperately wanted 2024 late firsts and early seconds and he spurned numerous other better offers, including higher picks in 2024, awesome young prospects, higher picks in 2025, two first round picks (2025 and 2027), etc, etc. He gave all this up just so he could get...

nope. That is not the basis of any of my arguments. I won’t re litigate this it is all explained earlier.

Yet you can’t come up with one hypothetical better trade with a contender which a counterparty would have accepted. You know, one where the Jazz get high potential young talent and/or better picks that the contender would give up for a 30 day rental. Just one. Pretty please.

Sorry you missed the point of my post, so let me help you. You fabricated an argument that I never made and then disputed that which you fabricated. This amateur tactic is called a straw man. My response is the antithesis of defensive because i did not defend your something that you made...

Attacking a straw man. Nice logical fallacy, dude. It is a desperate technique when your thesis has been dismantled.

I get it. You think Danny rejected better offers from better teams. I’m just challenging you to explain why Danny would choose to damage the team he works for, which is a necessary condition for your hypothesis to have merit. Plus you have to know that Ryan is in on these decisions so the...

But you are giving values. You directly stated that there was much better deals to squeeze from contending teams. Much more than what the Jazz got is a dramatic overvaluing our assets. What sort of package could we have gotten from one of the contending teams you mentioned? please give a...

In their defense, Bird rights could land Simone in Detroit long term. Which is the real reason the Jazz traded him. They got a sense of his market value and decided they did not want to overpay. IMO And the raptors may have incumbency inside track to sign KO. Or maybe they just like abaji.

Definitely worth a late first/ early 2nd.

This idea that the Danny/ Z had superior trades that they rejected is very strange. You’re also assuming that conversations equal great trade offers. Usually not the case. Lots of GMs on fishing expeditions. And you have dramatically overestimated the value of 30 game rentals.

The problem with this “instead of” argument is that it assumes we had optionality. 1. You assume that contending teams offered us better trades than the teams we transacted with, and our FO rejected the higher value. This assumes our FO is wholly incompetent. 2. You assume we were offered...