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There's a few in Draper but not on the exits I use (Bangeter). I used to give some when I was younger. I am convinced people can find jobs. It's just a matter of what you are willing to do. Some people would rather beg than wash dishes somewhere. I don't have much pity for beggars. But I...

No doubt. This board doesn't get as much attention from me as it does from some people.

The only season for Ute fans.

Ah yes, the agony of the postseason. Ute fans have been spared that agony in most every sport except womens gymnastics.

Agreed. Although some scouts like him as a 3-4 OLB I think he is taylormade for the 4-3. That's the nice thing with him is you could change schemes and still use him.

LOL some people don't know football. Ansah will be a good pro. This draft is deep at 3-4 OLBs but Ansah is still near the top whether in a 3-4 or a 4-3. I could even see him being used as a pass-rushing DT (ala Kruger).

There are definitely some ordinances in the LDS church that if you don't get done you're not moving up. But of course that isn't the end of it. I know plenty of LDS, myself included, you have all their ordinances done but don't live as they should. Therefore, the ordinances become moot.

I would suggest if you want to discuss religion with the missionaries then just say so next time. I'm not a big fan of the pushy religious types and know many non-LDS that are very turned off by that. To me the missionaries did exactly what you wanted them to but now you complain about it...

I was not part of the negotiations.

Ya don't even get me started on pre-existence.

She said she will haunt me and when I eventually die there will be reprecussions.

My wife has made it pretty clear I am not to get remarried if she goes first. :)

It's funny the things that trip up people about the LDS faith. Some people get all bent over trivial things and there are these huge elephants in the room (literally with dinosaurs). Stuff like the whole 3 levels of salvation and making your own worlds. That stuff is out there and haters...

Right, but it's not a make or break deal for me. I got a sister that spends way too much time on those subjects and I don't think that's a wise path but nothing wrong with some frank discussions. I just think it goes too far into conjecture.

This is a good response. What about dinosaurs? Lots of stuff that will be answered that we don't get now. But none of that stuff is super critical so I don't spend time thinking about it.

So because you spend more time trying to tear down the church I'm supposed to just bow to your opinion? I don't know what kind of nutless wonders you hang with that think your "research" is all that, but I'm not one of the them. You come in here trying to discredit those three men and yet try...

No, you just have a beef with the Church and are seeing things the way you want to see it. They claimed they saw the plates with spiritual eyes. That is not a denial. And again, you go to great lengths to discredit these guys but yet you want to cherrypick statements. Good luck with that.

So 2 of the 3 changed their story a little on the plates but didn't completely deny it. Am I reading that right? And these guys were all a bit off when it came to their lives but you are going to pin them down on those statements?

As I said, your version and mine are not mutually exclusive and both are needed. I mentioned this.

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