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    The Jazz have found their magic formula to build.

    That would be the second tear down over only a three-year time period. You don't think that's a bit excessive? So the thinking seems to be, "The tear down didn't work the first time, so let's tear it down again!" If that doesn't work after three years, do we tear it down yet again? Another...
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    Yes, plenty of vets who are held out for extended periods of time for spurious reasons and on a team that is actively trying to lose. It seems to be me to be a sub-optimal environment to evaluate a player's potential to be a solid, contributing role player on a quality, winning team. But, I was...
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    It's not an either or. I definitely think the FO is making this type of assessment, or trying to. It's not all about developing stars. It can't be, teams need role players as much as they need stars, as the Suns, Lakers and other have discovered to their detriments and OKC has discovered to its...
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    Strawter, and even Braun, are good examples of the need to build a supporting cast of not great but serviceable rotation players around a core of focal points. Part of the problem of judging our youth has been that they've been thrust into roles beyond their ability (at present at least) to...
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    Trade Lauri for The 3rd Pick

    Wow, that's quite the take after hearing from so many people for so long how great this draft class is supposed to be. Wasn't that the narrative pretty much beginning with last year's draft (i.e., this is a bad draft class but next year's is boffo), or am I missing something? You may well be...
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    I think it's entirely in the cards the Boston still wins this series and possibly even makes the finals. There's still a lot of talent on that team. The FO has done a very good job constructing a complementary roster around its stars. Though, I think NY making the finals would be a great story...
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    What, you mean that tanking isn't the only way to build a competitive team in the NBA and that it may not be prima facie evidence of genius-level strategizing by FO galaxy brains? Don't say this too loudly; it's bound to get you shouted down by the pro-tanking zealots and the tanking industrial...
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    Agreed. During lower stakes games, the offense flows and the ball is shared more. In crunch time or high stakes games, it always has been and will always be Mitchell time. We have sufficient data points to conclude that it's a load he can't shoulder successfully. That's why I don't think any...
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    It's not uncommon for teams to experience a few years of playoff flameouts before they break through, while tinkering around the edges, or otherwise keep a core in place. I guess the question is who's the "core" at Cleveland? I say Mitchell and Mobley definitely. Garland and Allen less so. We'll...
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    Not yet. Just wait, a friendly gentlemen's bet that it's a matter of time. (I'm aware that I could be over my skis on this prediction.) That said, you're almost certainly correct. I imagine some changes are in store and those are the most obvious and weighty ones to consider.
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    Odds on how long before pundits, podcasters, blog boys, etc. begin the drumbeat for tearing down the Cavaliers and rebuilding (and Denver if they lose to OKC)? Further, what are the odds before a drumbeat begins for trading Jokic and getting what Denver can for him? As if that's the only way...
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    Game Thread NBA Draft Lottery - May 12, 2025

    I'm reading I Claudius, or trying to. I find it a slog to read but I'm determined to finish it. The story moves slowly amidst stream of consciousness ramblings. However, taking frequent breaks to read up on events described therein has proved to be very fruitful to learn about the early Imperial...
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    Game Thread NBA Draft Lottery - May 12, 2025

    I find it fascinating that the rational and sane among us who are skeptical of conspiracy theories feel compelled to offer evidence as to their bogusness. Those peddling conspiracies have the burden of proof. Innuendo and lazy, sloppy post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning do not constitute proof...
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    Game Thread NBA Draft Lottery - May 12, 2025

    I have several reactions to the lottery outcome. There is no conspiracy. Conspiracy theories are the refuge of the weak minded struggling to cope with the inequity and randomness of life. If you find yourself succumbing to conspiracy theories, this is a sure sign that it’s time for some serious...
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    Has our future position gotten better, worse, or stayed the same since trading Rudy/Donovan?

    Interesting how tanking skeptics are suddenly emboldened to come out of the woodwork after a year+ of being brow beaten and marginalized by the vociferous pro-tanking crowd. The Jazz tanking "strategy" has been revealed for what it's always been: Let's give our consumers a shiity product and...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    So, you’re saying that if we lose the lottery, we will then regret not winning more in order to be in the spot that does win?? Seriously, do you not read what you write before posting? Yes, and Yes. (Or is that Yes, and No as in No, I do not not read what I write before posting?) This strikes...
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    Game Thread Mar 12, 2025 06:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Memphis Grizzlies

    A good loss, to the extent losses are good. IF the Jazz could ever cut down on the turnovers, potentially many of these types of losses may be wins in the future. By, man-o-man, watching this team's ineptitude taking care of the ball each and every game is making my eyes bleed. I don't recall...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    Now that we're on this path, I don't have a better idea than tanking like hell to maximize our odds of winning the lottery or otherwise securing a future star via the draft. Pick your metaphor: pot committed, in for a penny, in for pound, balls to the walls, full throated, etc. My hope for each...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    Who's suggesting running it back as it was currently constituted? We keep getting told there were no options; that was indeed the convention wisdom. How is it you're so absolutely certain/confident this was the case? The conventional wisdom that Mitchell would surely bolt Cleveland for NY or...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    Ah, there it is, the personal insult. So very original, yet at the same time, so very tiresome. I'd only add that your insult makes no sense. What does being a gerbil have to do with being inside and outside of someone's butthole? Projection, per chance? If you're going to insult someone, at...
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