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yup. bummer.

Didn’t waste much time. Wearing the same outfit he got off the plane in. View: https://www.instagram.com/p/DLd4OkGRYtn/?igsh=MW45Mzg4MzFrNjlibw==

this has been an elite thread, but probably time for it to die a slow death at this point.

not old enough to be shrinking. that said, he hasn't always been shorter, it's probably only been about 2 or 3 years since ace has been the taller of the two.

iow, basically the summer league roster.

Collier Clayton Ace Hendricks Flip

who's mormon?

kobe averaged 7 ppg as a rookie and was throwing airballs in the most import games of the season. chauncey billups wasn't good. alperen sengun. giannis was horrendous early on. pascal siakam. joe johnson. rajon rondo. steve nash. paul george. demar derozan. kyle lowry...

great example. and so many other examples - just a silly comment to pretend that if a guy isn't great early, that he won't ever be.

kinda funny in the background, ian jackson throwing up bricks, while tre johnson swishes just about everything.

op is utah summer league, those are vegas.

summer league will be fun. collier going to remind some folks.

but you said he had almost zero increase in any stats despite playing more minutes. you're moving the goal posts here.

huh? he increased his points and assists significantly.

he'll be here tomorrow

i've argued this enough and i get it if people are done with Key, but i don't think there is any question you give him at least one more season to see if he can bump that efficiency up to average to above average levels. in my opinion, he's too talented to give up on this soon. still so...

he pops in on occasion. always good to see some of the [really] old timers on here.

i voted 11-15 because gun to my head i think 15, but i think it's more in the range of 14-16. i think anything lower than 14 would be disappointing, and i'd be pretty thrilled with 17+.

espn is dumb. it's not an unimportant distinction.

that's what we're wanting to hear.