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oh good hell. hopefully his knowledge of Ace and the Jazz is about as accurate as his prediction that the jazz would draft fears.

doesn't utah hold his rights for longer than that? is it seriously just a year and you go back into the draft? that doesn't seem right, but it never happens, so who knows.

lol. so adorable. you do condescending well. i'll give you that.

i'm asking you to teach me. tell me how murray was different that translated into him being a better player. i'm clearly missing something in your mind, but i don't know what that is. so help me out. and it's okay if you don't have anything. i get it. sometimes it's just easier to tell...

what did murray do better? enlighten me, please.

what are you talking about? seriously. what else should include in a comparison with Murray? did you even read my post?

it should be noted that at age 21, Murray averaged 18 and 5 on 53.8 TS. Key at age 21 averaged 17 and 6 on 53.9 TS%. In Murray's next season he went for 18 and 4 on 55.9% TS. Key is actually very similar to Murray with perhaps better PG skills - just needs to continue a slight...

i watched almost every rutgers game and was baffled at how bad he was those last several games. it was as if he forgot how to shoot. very weird. wasn't even making his signature "tough" shots. the only thing i noticed is that he played really well when Harper was out but when Harper came...

i think it's okay to hope for decent defense. probably can't really be above average due to his lack of length, but he's strong and smart and if he gives effort on that end and moves his feet, he can be solid.

not sure. my guess is that even if he is, they won't want to risk anything in summer league for a 3rd year guy. on the flip side, he needs the reps, so if he's been cleared i can see the logic in playing him too. i just think the former is most likely.

as windhorst said, if you are running the jazz and you worry about whether guys want to be in utah, you won't ever get anything done. very much paraphrased. anybody who has never spent time in utah will want to be in utah.

i don't disagree with you at all. if that's who the jazz wanted, i have no problem with the trade up and what they gave up. just saying that as somebody who wouldn't even have taken him at 21, of course i wouldn't give up anything, no matter how minor, to move up to take him. all that...

IMO, and this really isn't that bold when one considers Clayton was a 1st team all-american, MVP of the NCAA tournament/final four, etc, Clayton IS currently the best player in the draft outside of Flagg. now, he's older and there are guys who WILL probably be better than him at some point...

same. i'm always enticed by length and positional size in general, so he wasn't the guy i wanted (didn't not want him either), but i think with his shot making, change of pace, bball iq and competitive nature, he could be pretty special.

i expect to see Clayton outplay Bailey. There will be some growing pains early with Bailey, especially offensively with his shooting and shot selection. he's so young. where with Clayton's experience, the summer league world will be his oyster.

very weird fit here. jazz must be convinced he's that damn good.

he can absolutely be a standout defender.

jazz fans are going to love Ace Bailey. even the guys who are a little butthurt right now. he'll win them over.

Hence the reason I acknowledged one way he needs to play different is to get more easy shots.

I hope he plays the same on defense and the boards and continues to be great on catch and shoot. Also part of basketball for scorers is taking tough shots - KD takes them, Lebron takes them, Kobe took them - so I hope he continues to make them when he takes them. There are also ways I hope he...