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kobe averaged 7 ppg as a rookie and was throwing airballs in the most import games of the season. chauncey billups wasn't good. alperen sengun. giannis was horrendous early on. pascal siakam. joe johnson. rajon rondo. steve nash. paul george. demar derozan. kyle lowry...

great example. and so many other examples - just a silly comment to pretend that if a guy isn't great early, that he won't ever be.

kinda funny in the background, ian jackson throwing up bricks, while tre johnson swishes just about everything.

op is utah summer league, those are vegas.

summer league will be fun. collier going to remind some folks.

but you said he had almost zero increase in any stats despite playing more minutes. you're moving the goal posts here.

huh? he increased his points and assists significantly.

he'll be here tomorrow

i've argued this enough and i get it if people are done with Key, but i don't think there is any question you give him at least one more season to see if he can bump that efficiency up to average to above average levels. in my opinion, he's too talented to give up on this soon. still so...

he pops in on occasion. always good to see some of the [really] old timers on here.

i voted 11-15 because gun to my head i think 15, but i think it's more in the range of 14-16. i think anything lower than 14 would be disappointing, and i'd be pretty thrilled with 17+.

espn is dumb. it's not an unimportant distinction.

that's what we're wanting to hear.

one would hope and today we've seen clips of people shutting the rumors down, etc, but get him here. i know he has until monday, but if we're all good and he's that excited to be here, what's the hold up.

i like the luis signing, but i was never a fan of the 43/33/74 shooting splits for a junior star. but is tough and rebounds his position.

yikes. that's actually a little disturbing. at least they are legit professionals, but still. the lesson: omar sucks

and the defenses he was playing against. incredible. 46% from three on 8 attempts a game against that level of defense. sheesh. what a stretch.

first think i hear him say "kj can do everything clayton can do". lol. i mean, guess he can throw the ball at the hoop just like clayton. okay, so it doesn't go in nearly as often, but technically he is capable of the action.

rebound numbers not great either.

nah. he doesn't have key's shot creation skills, playmaking/ball skills or passing ability. he's a better shooter. if Key had juzang's pure shooting with his other offensive skills, he'd be killer on offense.