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    Game Thread Nov 03, 2025 05:30PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Boston Celtics

    D'lo got 2/13 this offseason. Those deals you're talking about were all signed before Boston and OKC convinced teams that you can't have a single exploitable defender to win playoff games. I really could see any contract between a near max and the league minimum.
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    Game Thread Nov 03, 2025 05:30PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Boston Celtics

    Simons got that contract before Jrue and SGA convinced the NBA that non-defending guards are garbage though. Simons will probably have to settle for between the league minimum and the MLE next summer. I have no idea what Keyonte's next contract looks like. The NBA hates small guards that can...
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    Game Thread Nov 03, 2025 05:30PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Boston Celtics

    Relative to how good he is as a player, probably up there with Austin Reaves and Kevin Martin as the best pound for pound flopper of all time.
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    Game Thread Nov 03, 2025 05:30PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Boston Celtics

    Brice being probably a 42% three point shooter who is so bad at defense that he can't get minutes on the 3rd worst defensive team in the NBA (and probably the 3rd worst team overall) is tough.
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    Yes, there was a real opportunity to build on that roster to create a perennial 48-52 win team that never would have contended, but would have made the playoffs every year and occasionally made the second round. Markkanen, NAW, Kessler, Sexton, and a ton of picks+vets could have been made into a...
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    I think they just have to tank forever until they get a superstar, there's no other outs that allow Danny Ainge to keep his reputation. There's no path to being a 2nd round+ contender without tanking forever.
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    I mean, it would be giving up and saying it was a mistake and trying to just contend for the play-in forever afterwards, yes.
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    Ace is too unskilled to play SF and is defensively better long-term at PF due to his rebounding and shot blocking. Regardless if he's a SF or PF, he can't pass or dribble and is quite literally the worst possible forward complement to Lauri (whose main weaknesses are being unable to pass or...
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    Lauri is getting force fed to a comical degree and we have three other PFs on the roster he's blocking any possible development for (Filipowski, Hendricks, Ace), this is a scheme to juice his stats before moving him to the Spurs for 2-3 picks. Like, I don't think Ace is a fantastic prospect or...
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    Ehh, Lauri is absolutely getting traded very soon so while it's the end of intentional losing, we have nothing serious other than him so we'll here for 2-6 years after this year.
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    I think all five of those guys were drafted pretty high based on shot creation potential despite their lack of tools as shot creation is the most valuable skill. That's what I'm saying to be clear.
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    I mean, the Jazz have tried potential upside swings with unathletic players A LOT in this era with Keyonte, Brice, Cody, Collier, and Filipowski. All swinging on upside based on their shot creation. Ace is the first player since Hendricks to legitimately have good tools that they drafted. (the...
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    Hmm, ehh, that was a very weird class. OJ was a very unique prospect in that he broke out in HS exactly when people were looking for the next LeBron, but he kind of only dominated high school because he was a lot older than his competition. OJ had a massive amount of high school hype that...
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    Can't wait until November 2028, when Ace and Nate Ament are still two of the worst defensive players in the NBA somehow and Will and Austin get another 4 year extension.
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    Ehh, Ace is a PF on a team with a billion PFs, there's no opportunity for minutes because our roster is so stupid. Lauri will get traded eventually.
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    We're probably trading Lauri on ~December 15th so I don't think we need to worry about our guys being too good defensively, lol. It's some portion of Hardy being a terrible defensive coach and all of our prospects having been terrible defenders in college who aren't progressing. (Kessler was...
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    Ehh, the Hornets are one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA as well. I think it's pretty clear Nurkic is completely toast and that influences the outcome of last night a lot.
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    Where will the Jazz rank in defense this year?

    Jazz are currently 27th in defense, but the Pelicans and Nets are the worst defensive teams in NBA history so far so we may be able to dodge 30th this year.
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    Ace Bailey ROY watch

    Ace's shooting is really good when he shoots his normal shot, but he ****s up his shooting motion constantly to try to get shots off. He shoots it differently all the time. MPJ's entire career up until this year has had him taking almost uncontested jumpshots because he was playing with the...
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    Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

    We just have like no defensive talent on this roster other than maybe future Ace, but man, we shouldn't be this bad defensively. Not feeling great that we have so little two-way talent three years into this, lol.
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