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You could be 2 games out or something. There are small margins if the tank game gets tough.

So we think the future depends on the 2025 9th pick in the draft?

True, but I don't think we'll give up the 9th spot, I think we'd give up the 12th. We'll be a game or two out of playins.

I don't think there's any scenario where Jazz are clearly among the worst 3 teams in the league. We could be worse, but we're not Wizards/Nets bad in any scenario (except more injuries, and I'm sure there are plenty of dubious shoulder to go).

We didn't lose nothing, we fought for a playin spot all year. We had guys gunning for a win 60 games (or 82, if you think they're still there). That's a lot.

Possibly, but I think it takes ****ing the team more. I really think Cody can become a good NBA player in the un-inured Dante mold. Probably will take years, though, and you can probably pick those guys from homeytennis's list instead of the first round, but whatever.

I don't understand this premise. You can easily rig the lottery without the games. Much easier, I'd think.

Pivot game. If we win this, why not just **** it all and go for the playins. Warriors are terrible, Grizzlies are terrible, Suns are glued together by Booker... Could easily be in there in April.

Yeah, definitely had the wrong Wagner bro there. He's clearly on the list of potential game-changers. Still not sold. No one thinks it's great to give up picks and no one thinks it's better to pick later, the question is always other things. After the Walker injury I though we'd be really...

No, they're not, but it does mean faking your way to losses somehow.

While looking at this, I was wondering how a redraft of 2021 would look like. Dratt was (1st round): 1 Cade Cunningham 2 Jalen Green 3 Evan Mobley* 4 Scottie Barnes+ 5 Jalen Suggs 6 Josh Giddey 7 Jonathan Kuminga 8 Franz Wagner 9 Davion Mitchell...

Him and so many others. You can trade for a 20th-pick and go for gold, or bet on some reclamation project.

You really can't built a team based on how good other contenders are. I can get on board with a season or possibly two of being intentionally bad because of (previous) trades, bad contracts, etc, but you just simply have to build your own team at your own pace. I don't see who the Jazz would...

I'm very unsure. Of course you do Ace + Walker for Giannis straight up, but there will be much more. As long as Lauri stays, how much cap space is there? Giannis is great, but you need a team around him, and if you sold the kitchen sink to get him, what next?

Sure, maybe. Or maybe Keyonte and Lauri is way better than any of these kids anyway. I looked through the last couple of drafts. 2021 had Cade at #1, and he's obviously very good. Mobley is great, Scottie Barnes great. Kuminga has the tools, but not the hardware, Giddey needed at least one...

Yeah, but it's not for "no real reason". It's a matter of going out there any winning games, we've got ****ing 60 games coming up of games it would be fun to win instead of whatever the hell this is. I thought we'd be too bad to win much with the Walker injury, but it turns out we're not...

Losing the 9th pick in any draft is hardly a disaster. It would suck, of course, but you're rolling the dice here anyway.

Pelicans have their '27 pick, at least.

While I don't think Pelicans will get good value for Zion, I'm sure someone will risk significantly more than this (at least if the picks are 2nd rounders)

Unless he's considered a significantly negative asset, I'd look somewhere else too.