2022 Jazzfanz All Time NBA Draft Competition team V vs. Team Q

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Who would win a 7 game series? You can change your vote

Team V
Marc Gasol-07// Willis Reed
Scottie Pippen-87//Rasheed Wallace
Kobe Bryant-96//Ralph Sampson
Luka Doncic -18//Kyle Korver
Jerry West- 60//Bob Cousy

Vs. Team Q
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 69//Jack Sikma
Anthony Davis -12 // Blake Griffin
Paul Pierce- 98//Jaylen brown
Mitch Richmond-88// Latrell spreewell
Deron Williams- 05//Jrue Holiday

Team Writeup.

My opponent is to be commended for putting together a dynamic duo of Pippen and Kobe at the forward slots. However, I do note that they are both playing outside of their usual positions and Ralph Sampson is the backup small forward, a somewhat strained lineup. Recall that in 2008 Paul Pierce took on the role of guarding Kobe when things were on the line in the finals, and Pierce’s team won. Anthony Davis will be a handful for Pippen to guard down low. I’m not sure how Sampson chases Jaylen Brown around the perimeter.

The opponent’s guard corps is quality, but dudes like Kyle Korver aren’t exactly defensive stoppers and my guys like Deron Williams, Latrell Sprewell, Mitch Richmond and Jrue Holiday will hunt him mercilessly. In fact, they will hunt Luka Doncic too. In contrast, my guard corps is tough defensively. Also, as much as I like Marc Gasol, he ain’t stopping Kareem’s Sky Hook. Recall that Kareem was also an all-NBA 2nd defense team in 1971 and has basketball IQ off the charts. Blake Griffin adds toughness and rebounds off the bench. Sikma likewise scores off the bench.

 

[LogGrad98]

Team V got no one to stop Davis and Kareem. They would tear it up. The high-low game would be devastating.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Even though @Keefe hates my team, I won't be biased towards him. His squad was elite in the sim, and did a lot of damage. I witnessed Kareem get owned by Hakeem, and the splash bros couldn't do anything about it.

Though, in the sim he had Dell Curry instead of Korver. Korver wasn't licensed in the game.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Team V got no one to stop Davis and Kareem. They would tear it up. The high-low game would be devastating.

Good point with Davis and Kareem. The Kings team is pretty lethal though. This matchup is a wild card.

 

[LogGrad98]

Even though @Keefe hates my team, I won't be biased towards him. His squad was elite in the sim, and did a lot of damage. I witnessed Kareem get owned by Hakeem, and the splash bros couldn't do anything about it.

Though, in the sim he had Dell Curry instead of Korver. Korver wasn't licensed in the game.

I think this is where the sim fails a bit as it can really only take numbers into account, not playing style, physicality, adjustments, and things like rising to the occasion and personal drive. It depends on how they programmed in stats for these kinds of things and giving things a ranking on a scale of 100 or something just cannot do it justice.

Kareem was crazy dominant in his prime, like nothing the league had ever seen, outside of Wilt, and like precious few that came after. He could reliably hit the sky hook out to 15+ feet. He had the footwork and the size to keep up with Hakeem. If there was anyone who would give Hakeem fits, it would have been a prime Jabbar. His best scoring season he averaged 35 ppg, 17 rpg, and 5 assists, insane numbers, and they weren't tracking blocks then but considering that once they did start tracking blocks he went 8 straight seasons with 3 or more per game, there is no way he was under that in his first 4 seasons, so more likely 12 straight seasons over 3 bpg. Hakeem's put together a streak of 8 over 3. I seriously doubt that Kareem would so handily lose a head to head matchup with Hakeem. If anything they would play to a stalemate, matching blow for blow. Kareem's timing on blocks was unreal, and his reach was just short of Rudy. He was selected to an insane 11 all defense teams. He lead the league in blocks 4 times. He may have been the best 2-way threat as a big man in the history of the league, easily on par with Hakeem. I think his reach and size advantage would negate Hakeem's footwork, which realistically wasn't that much greater than Kareem's own, and Kareem would give Hakeem all he would want to get on the offensive end of the court, where he was a juggernaut and set the standard for all big men to come.

I think the pairing of Kareem and a prime AD is the most devastating pairing at the 4/5 in this thing. The ultimate inside/outside pair. AD will kill you with perimeter play, Kareem down low, and then AD can play inside as well, and maybe the most effective defensive duo as well. Tough one to beat.

And offensively I don't see Pippen doing much to slow down AD, and Marc Gasol is getting killed by Kareem. And the rest of the lineups are fairly evenly matched, so to me this pairing makes all the difference in this one.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

I think this is where the sim fails a bit as it can really only take numbers into account, not playing style, physicality, adjustments, and things like rising to the occasion and personal drive. It depends on how they programmed in stats for these kinds of things and giving things a ranking on a scale of 100 or something just cannot do it justice.

Kareem was crazy dominant in his prime, like nothing the league had ever seen, outside of Wilt, and like precious few that came after. He could reliably hit the sky hook out to 15+ feet. He had the footwork and the size to keep up with Hakeem. If there was anyone who would give Hakeem fits, it would have been a prime Jabbar. His best scoring season he averaged 35 ppg, 17 rpg, and 5 assists, insane numbers, and they weren't tracking blocks then but considering that once they did start tracking blocks he went 8 straight seasons with 3 or more per game, there is no way he was under that in his first 4 seasons, so more likely 12 straight seasons over 3 bpg. Hakeem's put together a streak of 8 over 3. I seriously doubt that Kareem would so handily lose a head to head matchup with Hakeem. If anything they would play to a stalemate, matching blow for blow. Kareem's timing on blocks was unreal, and his reach was just short of Rudy. He was selected to an insane 11 all defense teams. He lead the league in blocks 4 times. He may have been the best 2-way threat as a big man in the history of the league, easily on par with Hakeem. I think his reach and size advantage would negate Hakeem's footwork, which realistically wasn't that much greater than Kareem's own, and Kareem would give Hakeem all he would want to get on the offensive end of the court, where he was a juggernaut and set the standard for all big men to come.

I think the pairing of Kareem and a prime AD is the most devastating pairing at the 4/5 in this thing. The ultimate inside/outside pair. AD will kill you with perimeter play, Kareem down low, and then AD can play inside as well, and maybe the most effective defensive duo as well. Tough one to beat.

And offensively I don't see Pippen doing much to slow down AD, and Marc Gasol is getting killed by Kareem. And the rest of the lineups are fairly evenly matched, so to me this pairing makes all the difference in this one.

Nah they have all of these players archetypes built into the game. Kareems style is similar to how he played IRL on 2k. He's rated a 98 (out of 100) Hakeem was a defensive juggernaut, and with the fatigue, chemistry issues the Warriors were possibly having in the sim there must've been some sort of issue of Kareem getting touches in the games. He shot over 50% in the series, but Hakeem was MVP of the season, and played like the MVP the entire sim. Apparently his personality type that he has in the game pushed him to guide his team to a ring. Kareem was more so expressive and his morale (and rating) dropped numerous times during the sim.

 

[LogGrad98]

Nah they have all of these players archetypes built into the game. Kareems style is similar to how he played IRL on 2k. He's rated a 98 (out of 100) Hakeem was a defensive juggernaut, and with the fatigue, chemistry issues the Warriors were possibly having in the sim there must've been some sort of issue of Kareem getting touches in the games. He shot over 50% in the series, but Hakeem was MVP of the season, and played like the MVP the entire sim. Apparently his personality type that he has in the game pushed him to guide his team to a ring. Kareem was more so expressive and his morale dropped numerous times during the sim.

That's just it though, the sim has to boil it all down to numbers. It really cannot reflect how a player would really behave in the real world. It might come close, but still isn't the same as a game, obviously.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

That's just it though, the sim has to boil it all down to numbers. It really cannot reflect how a player would really behave in the real world. It might come close, but still isn't the same as a game, obviously.

Yeah, but at least it gives us some realism aside from other traditional Sims. If you throw a multitude of players in their primes into a league though, you can expect chaos. The Rockets squad really surprised me on how they rose to the occasion to win the championship, but I could see Hakeem realistically anchoring a squad to the Finals. He is a 2x champ for a reason, and he did it vs Shaq and Ewing (he made both of them look inferior to him in those Finals series) I could see him putting work in on prime Kareem.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

That's just it though, the sim has to boil it all down to numbers. It really cannot reflect how a player would really behave in the real world. It might come close, but still isn't the same as a game, obviously.

One thing I noticed was how realistic Karl Malone's game was when I watched some of the games on SimCast. Karl was doing face up midrange J's, fadeaways, banging down low to get high percentage inside shots, drawing fouls, and his free throw routine was spot on. I'm still mad we lost that sim, because I had the defensive dynamic of the squad down Pat, and built a powerhouse that dominated in the regular season.

 

[LogGrad98]

One thing I noticed was how realistic Karl Malone's game was when I watched some of the games on SimCast. Karl was doing face up midrange J's, fadeaways, banging down low to get high percentage inside shots, drawing fouls, and his free throw routine was spot on. I'm still mad we lost that sim, because I had the defensive dynamic of the squad down Pat, and built a powerhouse that dominated in the regular season.

That is pretty cool all right.

 

[silesian]

I can't figure out Team V. Sampson at the 3?

 

[Elizah Huge]

@Keefe

 

[Miggs]

Even though @Keefe hates my team, I won't be biased towards him. His squad was elite in the sim, and did a lot of damage. I witnessed Kareem get owned by Hakeem, and the splash bros couldn't do anything about it.

Though, in the sim he had Dell Curry instead of Korver. Korver wasn't licensed in the game.

Hates my team lol. I voted for you.

 

[Miggs]

Doesn’t help that Thee is using the wrong lineup for me and not the one I used for the sim but there was no way for him to know that and truth be told, Kareem would go off.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Doesn’t help that Thee is using the wrong lineup for me and not the one I used for the sim but there was no way for him to know that and truth be told, Kareem would go off.

Accept against Hakeem