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A minutes comparison

jope

jope

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Tonight's game


Jazz
Key Players under 3 years in league

Hayward 20:34
Favors 16:02
Kanter 9:51
Burks 0:00

Combined 46:27



Pistons

Key Players under 3 years in league

Monroe 29:24
Knight 31:47
Jerebko 19:08
Russell 0:00

Combined 80:19

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Season comparison of developing young core talent

Jazz

Hayward 27.5
Burks 12.8
Kanter 13.9
Favors 19.5

Combined 73.7
Average mins/player: 18.42


Cleveland

Irving 31
Thompson 20
Casspi 21.5

combined 72.5
Avg/player: 24.17



Pistons

Monroe 32.5
Knight 32
Russell 14.4
Jerebko 23.9

Combined 102.8
Avg/player 25.7



Wizards

Wall 36.9
Crawford 24.8
Singleton 20.2
Vesely 15.3

Combined 97.2
Avg/player 24.3



Kings

Cousins 29.6
Fredette 20
Thomas 21.1

Combined 70.7
Avg/player: 23.56



Are we investing enough time into the youngsters when compared to the rest of the bottom dwellers?

Discuss.
 
I agree with the argument and your overall objective by pointing out the minutes, I really do........but I don't think showing Kings, Pistons and Wizard numbers are going to strengthen an argument showing a positive development plan. History is not on their side when it comes to developing talent into a winning franchise.
 
Why do we need to peg our youngster's playing time to that of the bottom dwellers? The very fact that they are bottom dwelling teams is the reason why their youngsters are getting more playing time. They just don't have as much talent.

For the Jazz, we are still competing for a playoff spots therefore veterans will still play more than rooks & sophs. For the frontcourt, I don't think you can argue that Big Al and Millsap are ahead of the pecking order versus Kanter and Favors, no matter how much upside they may have. However, I still cannot understand why Raja Bell continues to get minutes ahead of Alec Burks.
 
Most of those teams don't really have any option but to start those guys. Those teams have so many young guys because their teams have been abysmal for years. Take away that Nets trade, and this team doesn't have Kanter OR Favors, and probably not even Burks because I can almost guarantee that Deron's pride would've taken over and given the team a better record than what they eventually finished with last year.

It's not that I don't agree that our young guys deserve more minutes, I just don't think it's a fair comparison. I may be an advocate of trading Jefferson, but it's hard to argue that he doesn't deserve to start.
 
MattMan said:
I agree with the argument and your overall objective by pointing out the minutes, I really do........but I don't think showing Kings, Pistons and Wizard numbers are going to strengthen an argument showing a positive development plan. History is not on their side when it comes to developing talent into a winning franchise.
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Not really trying to argue it one way or the other, just seeing how we compare to other teams with young raw talent. (typically lottery/bottom feeder teams)
 
SGJazz said:
Why do we need to peg our youngster's playing time to that of the bottom dwellers?

For the Jazz, we are still competing for a playoff spots therefore veterans will still play more than rooks & sophs.
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Bottom dwellers typically have the young talent.

And just because they vets doesn't mean they should play more, ex. Cj, raja, Howard, etc.


Not really arguing whether we should mirror these teams... Just seeing how much time they are putting into their comparable talent in contrast to the amount of time we are putting into ours.
 
New York Knicks:

Landry Fields: 31.0 MPG
Josh Harrelson (The guy that woulda sat behind Kanter) : 18.2 MPG (playing behind Amare and Chandler BTW)
Jeremy Lin: 26.4 MPG
Iman Shumpert: 28.4 MPG

Total : 104.0 MPG
Average : 26.0 MPG
 
(comparable record to us)


Timberwolves

Pekovic 25.8
Johnson 22
Rubio 34.2
Williams 20.1

Combined 102.3
Avg/player: 25.57


Rockets

Patterson 22.5
Budinger 19.1
Parsons 26.5

Combined 68.1
Avg/player: 22.7
 
Utah isn't a bottom dweller. Utah is contending for an advance.

For that matter, the Knicks aren't either. There is no way you call a team with those starters a rebuilding effort.
 
Brown Notes said:
Utah isn't a bottom dweller. Utah is contending for an advance.

For that matter, the Knicks aren't either. There is no way you call a team with those starters a rebuilding effort.
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And yet new York still manages to play their young guys more than we do... Strange
 
jope said:
And yet new York still manages to play their young guys more than we do... Strange
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New York doesn't have a valuable defensive stopper and leader like we do in Raja. Nor did they sign a veteran do-it-all player like Howard. We have 5 near or former all-stars at every position in our starting line-up. Once these guys "gel" we'll be contenders for sure!
 
SGJazz said:
For the Jazz, we are still competing for a playoff spots
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Whoo-hoo, we are competing to be maybe the 16th best team in the league! Yippee!

Making the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed excites me not, especially with a core group that has peaked and will get no better and get no farther in the playoffs. I want them to shoot for contending for a title, not desperately scratching out a final playoff spot only to get destroyed in round 1.
 
zman1527 said:
Whoo-hoo, we are competing to be maybe the 16th best team in the league! Yippee!

Making the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed excites me not, especially with a core group that has peaked and will get no better and get no farther in the playoffs. I want them to shoot for contending for a title, not desperately scratching out a final playoff spot only to get destroyed in round 1.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong! Didn't you get the Jazz' memo? We are competing to be the 5th or 6th best team (and thereby lose our chance to draft a starting SF in an extremely deep draft). Get to the playoffs and KOC makes Kahn look like an absolute genius as they'll have their lottery pick + the 16th or so from Utah to add depth to a pretty good, young core. The next "OKC" is not going to be Utah, it might be Minnesota. Who would thunk it after they drafted so many damn PG's a couple years ago?
 
We did win, but sure could've used minutes for Burk with the Pistons small and speedy backcourt continually penetrating at will.
 
write4u said:
We did win, but sure could've used minutes for Burk with the Pistons small and speedy backcourt continually penetrating at will.
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Anything would have been better than raja's 0-2 1pt performance, not to mention he would have at least given an effort to prevent stuckey to go for 29pts
 
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