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Anyone see what Ty Lue did last night?

Yep. Said exactly the same thing in the other thread.

PG's been out for over a month now. Lue's basically coaching the clippers without their two best players.

If you think tonight was ****** enough, imagine us going through a whole month without Rudy and Donovan.
 
Bogey, for example, played fricking 33min tonight despite having a fractured finger that was clearly bothering him. He ended the game with 11 bricks(if you count FTs), 3 TOs, 4 fouls and a +/- of -5.

Most coaches would've benched him or at least put him on a min restriction.
 
Benched his starters, down 36.

The bench proceeds to come back and win the game.

Quinn Schneider would never.

And that's why Ty out coached his *** last seasons playoffs!
I really couldn’t agree more with that assessment and breakdown. The fact that Bogey was forced to play 33 minutes with a splint on his finger (him wincing in pain) while Butler and Hughes (key contributors in Phoenix) languished on the bench tells you everything you need to know about Snyder.
 
Bogey, for example, played fricking 33min tonight despite having a fractured finger that was clearly bothering him. He ended the game with 11 bricks(if you count FTs), 3 TOs, 4 fouls and a +/- of -5.

Most coaches would've benched him or at least put him on a min restriction.
I remember Karl Malone playing through finger fractures, and don't recall anyone wanting to bench him in favor of inferior players.
 
There is a balance between being too reactionary and not letting your players work themselves through slumps and rewarding subpar performance with unlimited playing time. Quin is definitely too far on the extreme of the latter. Fans tend to be too far on the extreme of the former.

Ideally you are rewarding effort/execution vs performance, but I get that is probably difficult to do in the NBA with the amount of games/situations and money involved.
 
I remember Karl Malone playing through finger fractures, and don't recall anyone wanting to bench him in favor of inferior players.
I also remember Malone maintaining his efficiency during that stretch, in a way that was most impressive for what he was dealing with. He went through the playoffs with that broken finger and put up crazy numbers. Obviously Bojan is no Malone, but there may be a real difference in the injury that needs different care. With the way it was obviously affecting his play, and the fact that we were already facing a "schedule loss", to me it would have made more sense to give him some recovery time and let the younger guys get some more experience. Making Bojan play with a hurt finger is questionable whether that helps us, but having the young guys get some more experience could be the difference in tight games or injuries in the playoffs. The result was the same in the end, but with the added wear and tear on Bojan's finger and 2 promising players sitting on the bench.
 
I remember Karl Malone playing through finger fractures, and don't recall anyone wanting to bench him in favor of inferior players.
I remember Malone putting up crazy numbers and helping us win through finger fractures. I don't remember Bogey doing that last night, if not the complete opposite.
 
I remember Malone putting up crazy numbers and helping us win through finger fractures. I don't remember Bogey doing that last night, if not the complete opposite.
Malone performed slightly worse than usual, but still better than his back-ups. Bogdanovic was below his usual, but not to the level of Hughes or Butler.
 
Malone performed slightly worse than usual, but still better than his back-ups. Bogdanovic was below his usual, but not to the level of Hughes or Butler.
Did you watch Butler and Hughes playing against that same Suns team when we were in Phoenix? Because I can tell you both of their levels were much higher than Bogey last night. Butler especially, who had scored more points, hit more shots and gotten more steals than Bogey in half of the playing time.
 
Do we really want NBA coaches to think about games as schedule losses?
I want them to think about the well-being of the players and make an informed risk/reward decision. Of course we could argue all day about whether or not he did exactly that, but to me the perceived risk was not worth the reward of a loss that was likely to happen anyway. Are you telling me that coaches that choose to sit star players for full games, as the Spurs have done in the past, and any team Kawhi has been on, as well as our own team, and many others, do not believe they are giving up a loss and just plain hoping to pull off an upset? These are normal decisions the coach needs to be capable of making throughout the course of a season, and I believe they fully understand when they are setting themselves up, or being set up by things out of their control, such as injury to their best players, for a loss and just hoping for the upset win. I just disagree with his decision to play an obviously hobbled Bojan when he could have given some development time to younger players when it was likely very clear to the organization we were playing for an upset win, and yes I believe they understood very well that, under the circumstances, this was a "schedule loss", and I think they should have handled it differently.
 
Did you watch Butler and Hughes playing against that same Suns team when we were in Phoenix? Because I can tell you both of their levels were much higher than Bogey last night. Butler especially, who had scored more points, hit more shots and gotten more steals than Bogey in half of the playing time.
Well, as long as I have the word of some random fan, what's left to argue about?
 
I want them to think about the well-being of the players and make an informed risk/reward decision. Of course we could argue all day about whether or not he did exactly that, but to me the perceived risk was not worth the reward of a loss that was likely to happen anyway. Are you telling me that coaches that choose to sit star players for full games, as the Spurs have done in the past, and any team Kawhi has been on, as well as our own team, and many others, do not believe they are giving up a loss and just plain hoping to pull off an upset? These are normal decisions the coach needs to be capable of making throughout the course of a season, and I believe they fully understand when they are setting themselves up, or being set up by things out of their control, such as injury to their best players, for a loss and just hoping for the upset win. I just disagree with his decision to play an obviously hobbled Bojan when he could have given some development time to younger players when it was likely very clear to the organization we were playing for an upset win, and yes I believe they understood very well that, under the circumstances, this was a "schedule loss", and I think they should have handled it differently.
I agree there is a risk/reward analysis going on, and the health of the players is important. We don't have good information on either regarding Bogdanovic's injury. How sure are you that playing on it will slow it's healing or make it worse?

Yes, I think even when coaches are resting players, they are still trying to win the game/pull off an upset.

Fans love playing developing young players and winning games. Unfortunately, usually those goals are in opposition.
 
I agree there is a risk/reward analysis going on, and the health of the players is important. We don't have good information on either regarding Bogdanovic's injury. How sure are you that playing on it will slow it's healing or make it worse?

Yes, I think even when coaches are resting players, they are still trying to win the game/pull off an upset.

Fans love playing developing young players and winning games. Unfortunately, usually those goals are in opposition.
I think by the very nature of an injury it is more likely to heal quickly if not continually being used or under the risk of being re-injured. Malone had that risk with his broken finger and frankly we were lucky he didn't catch it just wrong on a jersey or something and severely aggravate it. It is hard to argue that playing with the injured finger is better than or exactly equal to rest for healing purposes.
 
I remember Karl Malone playing through finger fractures, and don't recall anyone wanting to bench him in favor of inferior players.
No, but we should have in the regular season. The Jazz would have been a better team back then had Stockton and Malone been more healthy and rested for the playoffs. Teams are much smarter about these issues now.
 
Yep. Said exactly the same thing in the other thread.

PG's been out for over a month now. Lue's basically coaching the clippers without their two best players.

If you think tonight was ****** enough, imagine us going through a whole month without Rudy and Donovan.
And somehow this is happening again tonight.

A team high 32 minutes despite taking 16 shots to score 13points, to go along with 3TOs and a +/- of -15, the lowest amongst all starters. And his backup House was absolutely on fire but only got 15min. I'm out on Quin. Just can't keep defending him with **** like this
 
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