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Are the Jazz Not Bad?

'we should tank and get good draft picks'
'we got six picks in two years and they all look really good'
'we should play the young players to tank'
'O CRAP, THE PLAYERS THAT WERE GOOD ARE GOOD, OH NO, WE WON'T SUCK ENOUGH TO GET ANOTHER GOOD PLAYER WHO IS YOUNG'
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we aren't stuck in mediocrity, we have several very young but talented players that have years to grow and develop into their prime, and very few bad contracts. i know some of you are worshipping the coming draft, but i'd rather have players that develop in a good culture team than a bunch of players who develop thinking that it's ok to lose. we've played our hand, let's see how it turns out. (oh, and many future picks as well. imagine being one of those mid teams that spent all their picks to get talent that doesn't work out and they have nothing and no future)
 
cctrackstar said:
'we should tank and get good draft picks'
'we got six picks in two years and they all look really good'
'we should play the young players to tank'
'O CRAP, THE PLAYERS THAT WERE GOOD ARE GOOD, OH NO, WE WON'T SUCK ENOUGH TO GET ANOTHER GOOD PLAYER WHO IS YOUNG'
S-C-R-E-W-T-H-E-T-A-N-K

we aren't stuck in mediocrity, we have several very young but talented players that have years to grow and develop into their prime, and very few bad contracts. i know some of you are worshipping the coming draft, but i'd rather have players that develop in a good culture team than a bunch of players who develop thinking that it's ok to lose. we've played our hand, let's see how it turns out. (oh, and many future picks as well. imagine being one of those mid teams that spent all their picks to get talent that doesn't work out and they have nothing and no future)
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How should I put this…

You’re like the dude that keeps going all in on King High expecting to win the pot.
 
They went Lauri, plus overdose of youth, plus Clarkson because of his culture impact and the magic he still brings. Then add locker room presences. We'll it looks still with all of that, the Jazz will not. Be a bottom 5 team and the pick to OzKC has a chance to convey. If the youth level up quickly then maybe collectively they are better than a Cooper Flagg. I suspect the will try to tear it down but I think Lauri expressed his frustration what they did with Tech and that is why we signed Svi who will not be traded this year to honor Luatis extension signing
 
cctrackstar said:
'we should tank and get good draft picks'
'we got six picks in two years and they all look really good'
'we should play the young players to tank'
'O CRAP, THE PLAYERS THAT WERE GOOD ARE GOOD, OH NO, WE WON'T SUCK ENOUGH TO GET ANOTHER GOOD PLAYER WHO IS YOUNG'
S-C-R-E-W-T-H-E-T-A-N-K

we aren't stuck in mediocrity, we have several very young but talented players that have years to grow and develop into their prime, and very few bad contracts. i know some of you are worshipping the coming draft, but i'd rather have players that develop in a good culture team than a bunch of players who develop thinking that it's ok to lose. we've played our hand, let's see how it turns out. (oh, and many future picks as well. imagine being one of those mid teams that spent all their picks to get talent that doesn't work out and they have nothing and no future)
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I agree it would be fine if the Jazz won. But it would be nice to have one last super talented player
 
fishonjazz said:
This means nothing but Im gonna post it here anyways:

In 2017 the cleveland browns were undefeated in the pre season.
Their regular season record? 0-16.

Pre season isn't always a great indicator of how the regular season will go.
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I would say 90% of the posters dont care about wins/losses/points in the preseason.

Its the eyeball test that worries some. Our 2nd year guys all look improved, and the rooks dont look nearly as Stars-bound as TH&Brice did last year.

If everyone plays better than expected then the record should also turn out better than expected.
 
HermanG said:
I would say 90% of the posters dont care about wins/losses/points in the preseason.

Its the eyeball test that worries some. Our 2nd year guys all look improved, and the rooks dont look nearly as Stars-bound as TH&Brice did last year.

If everyone plays better than expected then the record should also turn out better than expected.
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I care about pre-season wins just because it's the only time I'm going to be actively excited for wins.
 
fishonjazz said:
Agreed
I bet those browns fans eyeball test had them thinking their team would be pretty good too.

If everyone plays better than expected in the pre season then I think that has little to do with what the regular season record will be due to the huge difference between pre season and regular season.

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That makes no sense. Why would the Jazz players specifically look better in the preseason at the cost of their opponents who are also playing in a preseason game?
 
For the Jazz to finish in the bottom-5 they need to be consistently losing to Detroit, Portland, San Antonio, Toronto and Charlotte because these are the teams can push the Jazz out of the top 5 and each win over one of those teams is +2 in the head-to-head results. And the Jazz need to start losing early in the season because later several of those teams will be tanking like there is no tomorrow ( like the Raptors did last season).

Unfortunately, the Jazz does not get to play many bad teams until the mid-December so it would be hard to gauge the record of Utah. The key dates are Oct 31 (vs SAS), Nov 4 (at Chicago), Nov 9 (at SAS) and Nov 21 (at SAS). If they play right in the beginning of the season the Jazz could at least ensure that the Spurs finish above them.
 
Jazz are starting Collier and Cody. (You imagine who’s coming off the bench).

They won’t win many games this year doing that.
 
jazznik said:
For the Jazz to finish in the bottom-5 they need to be consistently losing to Detroit, Portland, San Antonio, Toronto and Charlotte because these are the teams can push the Jazz out of the top 5 and each win over one of those teams is +2 in the head-to-head results. And the Jazz need to start losing early in the season because later several of those teams will be tanking like there is no tomorrow ( like the Raptors did last season).

Unfortunately, the Jazz does not get to play many bad teams until the mid-December so it would be hard to gauge the record of Utah. The key dates are Oct 31 (vs SAS), Nov 4 (at Chicago), Nov 9 (at SAS) and Nov 21 (at SAS). If they play right in the beginning of the season the Jazz could at least ensure that the Spurs finish above them.
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I think Detroit has some potential to be betterr than anticipated. I've watched some stretches of their preseason games and it seems Tobias Harris may have been the thing they needed all along.

Had to go and see how their starters put -16 on KD and other Suns starters when they played everyone but Booker... and Pistons starters actually looked really good on both ends in that game.
 
One thing that came to mind is that we have heard the "pups can't raise pups" quote more than a few times now. I think its obvious that slogan is meant for the fans/media and not for the team. If it originates from the FO, then it sounds like justification on why we didnt trade away more of our vets. If its coming from Hardy, then it could mean that he may play the vets more than we would like.

But either way if that is our slogan for the year.... why does it sound like an early excuse?
 
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