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Grandpa Jazz

Grandpa Jazz

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I have been working on some refinements ( corrections, if you must) to my attempted offensive efficiency stat. colton has given at least tacit approval to my efforts. Without going into too much detail it changed thusly. treats all field goal attempts the same. made FG give two points for makes and debits 2 points per attempt, three pt FG credit 3 pts for all makes but only charges a shooter 2 points for a miss, free throws of course are one for makes and one for misses. Divide the 2 totals. The offensive floor game changes the most, adding all rebounds, assists, steals and turnovers and subtracting the turn overs. crediting one point for each except for assists which gets two. Divide the result by total season minutes played. Results as of before tonight's games are like this.

James (Mia)- 1.16 Total Effeciency Rating .664 Shooting +.500 Floor Efficiency
Love (Min)-- 1.11 .542 .568
Millsap (Atl)--.986 .542 .444
Howard(Hou)-.944 .531 .413
Favors (Uta)-.893 .506 .387
Harden (Hou).845 .519 .326
Aldridge(Por)-.842 .506 .336
Hayward(Uta).828 .483 .345
Lopez(Brook)-.822 .621 .201
Martin(Brook)-.768 .539 .229
Kanter (Uta)-.759 .530 .229

This is not a ranking of league leaders but just some players i thought we might be interested in. Love's to me surprising showing was due in large part to being a strong rebounder and great passing from a big who does not turn the ball over. Kanter's poor showing on his floor game was due to declining rebounding numbers, few assists and too many turnovers but his shooting stats are very good. Kevin Martin does little but shoot well. LeBron is just awesome statistically, highest rated shooter and 2nd in floor efficiency. Defensive stats do not exist in many key areas such as deflections etc. and i don't believe anyone can quantify a players defensive impact. Don't think too poorly of Jazz players rated here those are not just your average NBA names they are being compared with.
 
So what is the league average? What are the ratings for all Jazz players?...so we can see how they stack up with the rest of the league?
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
I have been working on some refinements ( corrections, if you must) to my attempted offensive efficiency stat. colton has given at least tacit approval to my efforts. Without going into too much detail it changed thusly. treats all field goal attempts the same. made FG give two points for makes and debits 2 points per attempt, three pt FG credit 3 pts for all makes but only charges a shooter 2 points for a miss, free throws of course are one for makes and one for misses. Divide the 2 totals. The offensive floor game changes the most, adding all rebounds, assists, steals and turnovers and subtracting the turn overs. crediting one point for each except for assists which gets two. Divide the result by total season minutes played. Results as of before tonight's games are like this.

James (Mia)- 1.16 Total Effeciency Rating .664 Shooting +.500 Floor Efficiency
Love (Min)-- 1.11 .542 .568
Millsap (Atl)--.986 .542 .444
Howard(Hou)-.944 .531 .413
Favors (Uta)-.893 .506 .387
Harden (Hou).845 .519 .326
Aldridge(Por)-.842 .506 .336
Hayward(Uta).828 .483 .345
Lopez(Brook)-.822 .621 .201
Martin(Brook)-.768 .539 .229
Kanter (Uta)-.759 .530 .229

This is not a ranking of league leaders but just some players i thought we might be interested in. Love's to me surprising showing was due in large part to being a strong rebounder and great passing from a big who does not turn the ball over. Kanter's poor showing on his floor game was due to declining rebounding numbers, few assists and too many turnovers but his shooting stats are very good. Kevin Martin does little but shoot well. LeBron is just awesome statistically, highest rated shooter and 2nd in floor efficiency. Defensive stats do not exist in many key areas such as deflections etc. and i don't believe anyone can quantify a players defensive impact. Don't think too poorly of Jazz players rated here those are not just your average NBA names they are being compared with.
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Nice work and interesting numbers, but they do not mean too much without an overall ranking. You could put their rank number up there? Is Kanter #11 or #213?
 
Nice work and interesting numbers, but they do not mean too much without an overall ranking. You could put their rank number up there? Is Kanter #11 or #213?
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Sadly, i no longer have a spreadsheet on my PC, and if i did it would require at least 40 hrs a week to log all the data. I am limited to ink and paper. Mayhaps i could do top 10 of each team per day or some such.

If you were to sum this up in one sentence, what would that sentence say Grandpa?
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Someone please take the crayons from the old man.
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
I have been working on some refinements ( corrections, if you must) to my attempted offensive efficiency stat. colton has given at least tacit approval to my efforts. Without going into too much detail it changed thusly. treats all field goal attempts the same. made FG give two points for makes and debits 2 points per attempt, three pt FG credit 3 pts for all makes but only charges a shooter 2 points for a miss, free throws of course are one for makes and one for misses. Divide the 2 totals. The offensive floor game changes the most, adding all rebounds, assists, steals and turnovers and subtracting the turn overs. crediting one point for each except for assists which gets two. Divide the result by total season minutes played. Results as of before tonight's games are like this.
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Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly. A player who goes 5 of 10 2pt will have a score of (10-10)/2 = 0? Also, a player who shoots 7 of 10 free throws would get a numerator score of 7-3 = 4 even though he's scoring 7 points on 5 possessions (conservatively assuming no and 1's), vs 3 of 5 (2 2's, 1 3, 2 missed 2's) scoring -1?
 
Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly. A player who goes 5 of 10 2pt will have a score of (10-10)/2 = 0? Also, a player who shoots 7 of 10 free throws would get a numerator score of 7-3 = 4 even though he's scoring 7 points on 5 possessions (conservatively assuming no and 1's), vs 3 of 5 (2 2's, 1 3, 2 missed 2's) scoring -1?
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No my friend, 5-10 2PFG = 10-20 say also 5-10 from three would be 15-20 . 7-10 FT would be 7-10 Totalling 32-50 Shooting would then be .640
 
San Antonio Spurs

Parker .543+.393=.939
Leonard .517+.317=.834
Duncan.429+.442=.871
Diaw .565+.278=.843
Ginobili .428+.442=.870
Green .541+.260=.801
Splitter .562+.405=.970
No wonder they are so good. 7 players over .800 Splitter was a revelation to me.
 
There are free spreadsheets.
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Yes, but my experience has been there is a reason they are free. Anyway the spreadsheet setup would require you to update every player tracked every time you wanted results. Each calculation would require somewhere around 20-30 hrs of painstaking work. And work is no longer in my vocabulary. Retirement is my new language. The calculations may be automatic but the raw data is the problem.
 
Grandpa Jazz said:
No my friend, 5-10 2PFG = 10-20 say also 5-10 from three would be 15-20 . 7-10 FT would be 7-10 Totalling 32-50 Shooting would then be .640
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That's basically TS% without adjusting FTAs for league average And 1's.

TS% = PTS / 2* TSA, where True Shooting Attempts = FGA + 0.44 * FTA.

Using your #'s, TS% would be 32/48.8 instead of 32/50.

Players with higher than average And 1's will get dinged by TS%, and a bit more by your formula. Players with below average And 1's will get the opposite boost from both formulas.
 
Golden State

Thompson .614+.174=.788
Curry .543+.593=1.14
Lee .571+.376=.947
Iguodola .657+.425=1.082
Barnes .538+.192=.730
Bogut .511+.461=.972
 
Tonights match up

Jazz at Pelicans

Pelicans Jazz

Davis .549+.419=.968 / Favors .506+.387=.893
Gordon .515+.310=.825 / Hayward.483+.345=.828
Holiday .481+.481=.962 / Kanter .530+.229=.759
Smith .551+.223=.774 / Williams .521+.241=.762
Evans .388+.407=.795 / Jefferson.429+.178=.606
Morrow.634+.182=.816 / Burks .408+.269=.677
Aminu .474+.358=.832 / Lucas III .359+.195=.554

While the pelicans don't seem to have many players that do more than shoot fairly well they have a lack of players who help in other ways (floor game if you will).
However the Jazz don't measure up as shooters even with this group but then you look at the Jazz floor game stats and it's obvious why they are truly one of/if not the worst team.
We seem to have an offense in complete disarray. You can blame who you want, but i blame the coaching. Our players can't help but develop but they are not developing in a healthy way.
 
Operating on the premise that an offensive rebound gets you another possession while a defensive rebound gets you another possession also. And possessions add to your offense. Initially i was only using Offensive rebounds but that was one of those corrections i mentioned. Does that make sense to you JazzSpazz?
 
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