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Attention Virgin: I need your attention.

Okay, first of all, house plans don't do **** in way of truly helping you discern the cost of the home. If a builder gives you a price based on plans, alone, then they are merely giving you a line item set of allowances for the finishes/selections (flooring allowances, cabinets, doors, plumbing fixtures, etc). So 'bidding' against other builders when you only have plans without selections is dumb (even though EVERYONE does it this way). The builders simply give you smaller allowances to 'win' the bid and you are simply stuck with no money to treat yourself to anything at all. You find something you like for more than your budget? Great. The builder 'allows' you to go over budget and issues a change order.. which they charge you for, typically.

Here's what I recommend;

1) Interview 3 builders (or however many) and select one more for their personality and overall likability, as you will be working closely with them for several months on something that is very important to you. Ask them for references. NOT JUST ANY references, but references of the last 3 C.O.'s they've done. That way they are not cherry picking.
2) Ask them what the top 10 selections you can make in the home provides the greatest variable in the end price. (things such as cabinets, appliances, doors, flooring, etc) Then ask them to assist you with setting up appointments to look at, and make, those selections. With those selections and floor plans in place, get bids from your 3 builders.
3) Let the builders know you want a "cost plus" contract. Ask them, specifically, what their mgmt fee will be (will likely fall between 8 - 12%). Specifically ask each builder if they sub-contract any job to themselves. Meaning, are they making any money from this job other than the mgmt fee as outlined above?
4) Once you have selected the builder you like, ask them to prepare the construction agreement and email it to me (if you like). You are specifically wanting to understand the draw schedule and lien release protocol (I assume you will be utilizing a bank for construction loan and, if so, the bank will assure this is in place. ALSO, at the last minute, prior to signing the agreement, keep it a cost plus contract, but require the builder to add a "Cost not to Exceed" provision. Don't tell them early on that you will do this or they will inflate their numbers up front (a la letting a dealer know you have a trade in too early). The cost not to exceed protects you from cost overruns or unscrupulous builders that lie about what they think the house will cost, just to get your business, and then hike the price as the bills come in.
5) lastly, just say no to change orders.. it's merely a way for a builder to charge more than they quote. Just say no.

That's the framework. Let me know if you want more help.
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Thanks. We tried taking your advice, they refused to give a construction agreement, so we wasted a weekend doing research and finally threw in the towel by more or less wasting $15,000 on an agent who will make roughly $1000/hour, only to find out they raised prices 5% within 12 hours of us putting earnest money down contingent on 3 days for an offer sheet. Is that even legal? They keep sending the contract back 5% inflated even though we've discussed this **** over and over.


I ****ing hate sales people. Why are they such pains in the ***? I'm basically doing 100% of the work and allowing them to earn a huge *** commission just for lending a few hours of their experience. WTF can't they all be like Trout, and wtf isn't he in the area anymore. I'm going to break some more ****. Thanks for the rant/
 
Thanks. We tried taking your advice, they refused to give a construction agreement, so we wasted a weekend doing research and finally threw in the towel by more or less wasting $15,000 on an agent who will make roughly $1000/hour, only to find out they raised prices 5% within 12 hours of us putting earnest money down contingent on 3 days for an offer sheet. Is that even legal? They keep sending the contract back 5% inflated even though we've discussed this **** over and over.


I ****ing hate sales people. Why are they such pains in the ***? I'm basically doing 100% of the work and allowing them to earn a huge *** commission just for lending a few hours of their experience. WTF can't they all be like Trout, and wtf isn't he in the area anymore. I'm going to break some more ****. Thanks for the rant/

I'm confused. Is this new construction or an existing home?
How did you pay an agent if the deal didn't go through?
Why do you even have an agent?

Yes, they can raise prices UNTIL you have a duly executed agreement.

Let me know if you want me to kick their ***. Are you dealing with a developer, builder, or homeowner??
 
I'm confused. Is this new construction or an existing home?
How did you pay an agent if the deal didn't go through?
Why do you even have an agent?

Yes, they can raise prices UNTIL you have a duly executed agreement.

Let me know if you want me to kick their ***. Are you dealing with a developer, builder, or homeowner??

Yes I know they can raise prices, but still.... front run the ****ing trade like that???

New construction. Long story bro, but in short I've lost faith in humanity over this. We went to every length possible to minimize everyone else's work and were up front and honest as possible trying to make things win win for everyone involved. It ****ed us over, which is total ********.

Now it's time to make the ****ers work for nothing...
 
Yes I know they can raise prices, but still.... front run the ****ing trade like that???

New construction. Long story bro, but in short I've lost faith in humanity over this. We went to every length possible to minimize everyone else's work and were up front and honest as possible trying to make things win win for everyone involved. It ****ed us over, which is total ********.

Now it's time to make the ****ers work for nothing...

Too bad and sorry to hear that. Hit me up if you want any advice/help. you still got my number?
 
Thanks. We tried taking your advice, they refused to give a construction agreement, so we wasted a weekend doing research and finally threw in the towel by more or less wasting $15,000 on an agent who will make roughly $1000/hour, only to find out they raised prices 5% within 12 hours of us putting earnest money down contingent on 3 days for an offer sheet. Is that even legal? They keep sending the contract back 5% inflated even though we've discussed this **** over and over.


I ****ing hate sales people. Why are they such pains in the ***? I'm basically doing 100% of the work and allowing them to earn a huge *** commission just for lending a few hours of their experience. WTF can't they all be like Trout, and wtf isn't he in the area anymore. I'm going to break some more ****. Thanks for the rant/

i AM a pretty horrible salesman.
 
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