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OK, I'll get in on the BluesRocker game.

Sloan quit because he had no energy left, no more fire for the game (at least those were the stated reasons). But is that a surprise considering he had Utah's "franchise" player openly defying him in the locker room and on the court? Deron wasn't running the plays. The locker room, by player accounts, was in disarray.

Reportedly...and we'll never know if this is entirely true...but it was reported that Sloan wanted Deron suspended. We do know there were numerous incidents between Jerry and Deron before that fateful night. Sloan was always backed 100% by Larry H. When a player didn't want to be around or defied Jerry, he was traded, pure and simple (Giri, Arroyo, etc.). But it took Sloan's announcement of stepping down before Greggy Boy and Kevin would take him seriously and offer even one iota of support. By then, the decision was made.

Stepping down mid-season was ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do. There was no indication Deron was going to be shopped. Why continue with the same destructive relationship and further divide the team? Plus, if you have a key player no longer running the plays, what kind of message does that send? Sloan had lost all authority and credibility with his team. Look around the league and you'll see just about every franchise player has run a coach out of town. Only a handful of coaches (like Popovich, Jackson and Sloan) have ever had complete control.

Much in the same way Layden stepped aside and let his top assistant have a chance to coach, Jerry stepped down and enabled a very highly-regarded assistant to take the reins. Corbin was going to get a shot at some point. IINM, he was voted the 2nd best assistant in the league a couple of years ago. So maybe, just maybe, Corbin will grow into the role just as Layden's #1 did 20+ years ago. Of course, Corbin doesn't already have two superstars in place. Or, if he does, they're nowhere near the level of Stockton/Malone when Sloan stepped in.
 
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IMO Sloan quit because he's a seventysomething year old man who's diminishing testosterone levels left him without the fire and energy to deal with another hot headed player. Do any of you want to be doing your current job when you are seventy years old? Sure he misses it now, and might do the stupid thing and try it again, but I know for sure that I don't want to be doing my job past seventy. (if I even live that long)

I also agree that he wanted to give Corbin a chance at the job, and I'm glad he did, Corbin is doing great right now. (also My opinion)
 
GlassEater said:
OK, I'll get in on the BluesRocker game.

Sloan quit because he had no energy left, no more fire for the game (at least those were the stated reasons). But is that a surprise considering he had Utah's "franchise" player openly defying him in the locker room and on the court? Deron wasn't running the plays. The locker room, by player accounts, was in disarray.

Reportedly...and we'll never know if this is entirely true...but it was reported that Sloan wanted Deron suspended. We do know there were numerous incidents between Jerry and Deron before that fateful night. Sloan was always backed 100% by Larry H. When a player didn't want to be around or defied Jerry, he was traded, pure and simple (Giri, Arroyo, etc.). But it took Sloan's announcement of stepping down before Greggy Boy and Kevin would take him seriously and offer even one iota of support. By then, the decision was made.

Stepping down mid-season was ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do. There was no indication Deron was going to be shopped. Why continue with the same destructive relationship and further divide the team? Plus, if you have a key player no longer running the plays, what kind of message does that send? Sloan had lost all authority and credibility with his team. Look around the league and you'll see just about every franchise player has run a coach out of town. Only a handful of coaches (like Popovich, Jackson and Sloan) have ever had complete control.

Much in the same way Layden stepped aside and let his top assistant have a chance to coach, Jerry stepped down and enabled a very highly-regarded assistant to take the reins. Corbin was going to get a shot at some point. IINM, he was voted the 2nd best assistant in the league a couple of years ago. So maybe, just maybe, Corbin will grow into the role just as Layden's #1 did 20+ years ago. Of course, Corbin doesn't already have two superstars in place. Or, if he does, they're nowhere near the level of Stockton/Malone when Sloan stepped in.
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Booo GlassEater. BOOO BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Terrible poster that's never brought this board any championships. BOOOOOOO
 
IMO Sloan quit because KOC pulled him aside and said "we are trading Deron Williams do you want to go through another rebuilding process?"
 
cctrackstar said:
IMO Sloan quit because he's a seventysomething year old man who's diminishing testosterone levels left him without the fire and energy to deal with another hot headed player. Do any of you want to be doing your current job when you are seventy years old? Sure he misses it now, and might do the stupid thing and try it again, but I know for sure that I don't want to be doing my job past seventy. (if I even live that long)

I also agree that he wanted to give Corbin a chance at the job, and I'm glad he did, Corbin is doing great right now. (also My opinion)
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I've experienced first-hand what it's like to have the support of management, and then lose that when a new ownership group comes in. I quit/was forced out after 15 years at my job when the company I was with was sold. Although the new CEO, CFO and others never openly came out against me, every suggestion, every valid concern over implementing new policies or venturing down new business paths, even when I could show it would likely damage performance, was simply ignored. And it was that way across the board. It was clear their vision was much different and so I left. And I laugh at seeing that their stock price has declined by 30% in 6 months. Yes, their short-sightedness and "creative accounting" has apparently been noticed by the investment community.

Point is, Jerry lost the fire because a number of players, but chiefly Deron, had become uncoachable, and the new owner (Greg) was not backing him up. I'd love to see him return to coaching. However, I think the number of teams which would respond to his leadership is very limited. In most cases, even a prospective franchise player (like Cousins) is given the nod if he doesn't get along with a coach.
 
GlassEater said:
Reportedly...and we'll never know if this is entirely true....
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Agree.

Anyway, people can throw blame around all they want.`I prefer to look at it as a tough situation, in which both sides could have handled better. The truth of the matter is that the team wasn't winning, no matter what they tried. If Deron wasn't running Jerry's plays, it was because they just weren't working, and he was frustrated. Deron is a smart player with an extreme will to win. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, in that if he wasn't running the plays, there was probably a good reason.

As far as the idea of disciplining our francise player a year and a half before his contract was up, I'm siding with Greg and KOC on that. I love Jerry Sloan, and am grateful for everything he's done for the team, but he has made a few mistakes from time to time. People probably assume that Deron got traded as a reaction to Sloan quiting. More likely, Deron was probably on his way out anyway, due to the fact he wouldn't commit unconditionally. If the team had taken disciplinary action before trading him, it certainly wouldn't have helped his trade value.

At the end of the day, this is all water just under the bridge. As hard as it was to have our team crash and burn last year, our future looks bright. Even if you choose to blame Deron for everthing that happened, and you hate his guts, it's because of who he is as a player that we were able to get mutiple key pieces to help build on.

I will always be grateful to Jerry and Deron for what they brought to us as fans over the years. Just the same, I like where this team is headed, and am looking forward to the next chapter.
 
GlassEater said:
I agree. I think the mods should lock all the "Boo..." and "Can the _____ Experiment End" threads so they can mercifully be put to rest.
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When ever I see the tittle " Can the ? Experiment end" I just pass over it if everyone else does the same, it will end.
 
cctrackstar said:
IMO Sloan quit because he's a seventysomething year old man who's diminishing testosterone levels left him without the fire and energy to deal with another hot headed player. Do any of you want to be doing your current job when you are seventy years old? Sure he misses it now, and might do the stupid thing and try it again, but I know for sure that I don't want to be doing my job past seventy. (if I even live that long)

I also agree that he wanted to give Corbin a chance at the job, and I'm glad he did, Corbin is doing great right now. (also My opinion)
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This. I guess some of Jazz Nation wanted to see Sloan until he keeled over on the sidelines. Watch any of his last two years, his fire, passion, and interest in the game were gone.
 
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