Building blocks, my thoughts on the direction the jazz should take.

[fishonjazz]

Humph, no. Burks gets abused by anyone who uses a screen on him.

Wrong.
See i watch the games and in the rare instances when he has been matched up against tony parker, damian lillard, mo williams, ty lawson etc, he has done a very good job.

The guys that he struggles against the most are strong shooting guards. Wes matthews kept back burks down and abusing him with his strength. Burks did really good against klay thompson (a guy who uses lots of screens) Did great against randy foye as well.

Burks always seems to do ok against guys who are good based off speed and quickness or finesse guys that just shoot jumpers.
D wade, wes matthews, kobe bryant, lance stephenson types of guys that use strength and physicality are they guys that i worry about burks gaurding

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

OP is suggesting that we use our assets (our own #5-8 pick, gs pick, and kanter, burke) to move up into the top 3 to get wiggins or parker.

I agree with stoked though about burks not being a point guard..... Though I think he IS better suited to defend point guards than 2 gaurds.

I never suggested Burks play pg, just fill that spot. Both Burks and Hayward are good enough ball handlers to run the offense as a tandem, then bring someone like Neto or someone else to be a co starting pg with Hayward and Burks.

 

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Neither is Burks running the point.

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[Stifle Tower]

^^Agree with cowhide. There may be a time when Burke is replaced. But I doubt it's because Neto outplays him and Burks is NOT a starting PG. Could be via the draft if PG is the BPA. Then Lindsey uses FA to get a wing. And Hayward CANNOT be the main ballhandler.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

OP is suggesting that we use our assets (our own #5-8 pick, gs pick, and kanter, burke) to move up into the top 3 to get wiggins or parker.

I agree with stoked though about burks not being a point guard..... Though I think he IS better suited to defend point guards than 2 gaurds.

Have you forgotten how bad the Jazz were without Burke running the offense. When Hayward has been the main focus of the offense he turns into a turnover machine. Jazz need to be patient and not do something stupid like trading Burke. Besides most teams have their PG except for maybe the Lakers (not going to happen). Jazz are still going to get a very good player in this draft. You start trading guys when they don't want to be here or they are wanting too much money.

I know everyone thinks that Wiggins or Parker are going to solve our problem of not having a superstar but both of these guys are not close to being superstars yet. They have the potential to be but they are going to struggle and are going to need time to develop. I think if the Jazz get an all-star player and a good role player out of this draft then they can be a force down the line. This proclamation also includes that our Core6 get better and stay together.

First the team I'm suggesting is ten times better then what we started out with.

Second. I don't see Wiggins or Parker as the answer as I see Burks, Hayward, Wiggins or Parker, Favors, and Gobert.

 

[illyasova]

Burks
Wiggins
Hayward
Favors
Gobert


Again with Burks and Hayward do we really need a pg in the starting lineup? Also if we get Parker, he would add to that. Also we get rid of two guys that would be looking for big pay days in the future.

Thoughts...

You do always need a PG in the starting line up to affect the game directly. Also, basketball is not juts a math(we become better defensive team so no need more offensive minded players etc). The chemistry, experience, tactics, egos all are gonna begin again and these will take serious time. Last, the spacing will be one of the worst in your line up and regard the fact of Kanter- Favors duo about it and Favors-Gobert duo? Hmm.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

You do always need a PG in the starting line up to affect the game directly. Also, basketball is not juts a math(we become better defensive team so no need more offensive minded players etc). The chemistry, experience, tactics, egos all are gonna begin again and these will take serious time. Last, the spacing will be one of the worst in your line up and regard the fact of Kanter- Favors duo about it and Favors-Gobert duo? Hmm.

There's plenty of offense.


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[illyasova]

There's plenty of offense.


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Burks is not a PG and for being elite team, you gotta need a PG. Favors- Gobert duo does not work efficient( Ask rockets Asik-Howard failure) Burke and kanter's absence will affect team dramatically more than most think in negative way.

 

[mellow]

I don't know what the Jazz should do.
I don't know what DL intends to do.

Nothing would suprise me.

 

[Stoked]

I disagree with your statement. The "tank" is proceeding exactly how they planned and perhaps a bit better. Compare the core-5 to personnel on teams like Boston, Philly and Orlando. I don't think there was ever a belief by Lindsey that the Jazz would end up top-5. The 1-14 start was the result of Burke being injured, not because the rest of the team is terrible. What exactly has changed with Ty and Lindsey? The core-5 are still getting minutes. Enes is averaging 25; perhaps we wanted him to get 30. Alec is averaging 28. Ok, bump him up a couple as well. But I don't think swapping RJ or MW for those two would make much difference in the record. In fact, Jazz might be better by a game or two.

So what would need to happen for the Jazz to lose more? Play Biedrins instead of Favors? Bench Burke and go back to Lucas as the starting PG? Yes, I suppose Ty could be told to bench MW and RJ and play Rush, Evans and Thomas instead. I'm not convinced that's the way to go. I think the line-up is shaping up exactly how they want to proceed next season, i.e. bring a couple of scorers (Kanter and Burks) off the bench and keep some floor spacers in the game alongside Favors, Hayward and Burke. Just need to upgrade via the draft/FA over MW and RJ and strengthen the bench with Neto? and perhaps one more solid addition.

We need to give up on this idea that we will have the assets to trade up for Parker or Wiggins. NO TEAM is going to trade out of the top-2/3 (I'm saying 3 because one of those teams might fall in love with Embiid). Only way a team MIGHT consider trading out is if they were given Favors, the #5 and another pick. You simply don't trade potential superstars for lesser players.

Play a bench of Gobert, Evans, Thomas, Clark and Lucas. Start Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks and Burke.

 

[fishonjazz]

Play a bench of Gobert, Evans, Thomas, Clark and Lucas. Start Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks and Burke.

This.
We wouldn't lose ALOT more because our young core is so good, but we would downgrade from marvin, jeffy, and garrett, to gobert, thomas/clarke, lucas.

I think that would be a big enough downgrade to grab a couple more losses and maybe move up one or two spots in the draft which could be huge.

With our young core all on the team and healthy we wont be getting a top 3 spot in the lottery but getting rid of jefferson and marvin would get us a few more losses and most of us fanz would enjoy the games more. Win Win