Developing a culture...

[The Thriller]

Just wondering, but how many more blowouts will we have before the losing culture sets in here?

Many players on our team have never had much success in the NBA. In fact, Jefferson has never even been to the playoffs.

So I'm just wondering what your thoughts are about this team's mental state? How many more bad losses before guys like Devin Harris or Al Jefferson mentally just check out? How can they stay competitive if it seems like Dejavu "all over again?" Why will players buy into Ty's system if all they do is lose? How can Corbin maintain his job if this team sucks? If we're still struggling to stay competitive com Feb or March, does Ty Corbin's seat become heated? Last I checked, he isn't exactly Sloan. IMO, Corbin leaves a lot to be desired (so far). If he cannot get this team to at least compete in games, why shouldn't he be fired?

More important than playing time and developing players, what kind of culture is KOC, Greg, Ty, and the rest of this team creating?

5 years ago, and for most of the past few decades, everyone coming to this organization knew what was expected. Today? I think we're searching for an identity.... I just hope that it doesn't become the loser culture that has infected organizations like Minny and Toronto...

 

[cctrackstar]

Ya know, Jerry Sloan was 30 for 52 his first year coaching for the Bulls. Admittedly, he did better the next year, but was fired part way through his third year, because of a bad start.

Point is, if the Jazz fire Corbin, than there is a good possibility that the team will go through coach after coach year after year until there is no stability in the organization, and the players will learn that they can get their way or the coach is canned.

The Jazz have been watching Corbin even since before they hired him on as an assistant. Does it seem likely that they would let all of that go after a few weeks or even months of failure? More likely they will get together with him and brainstorm ways to fix the problem.

The only way Corbin loses his job is if he refuses to work with management on a solution, and that isn't in his personality.

 

[Guitaro]

Ya know, Jerry Sloan was 30 for 52 his first year coaching for the Bulls. Admittedly, he did better the next year, but was fired part way through his third year, because of a bad start.

Point is, if the Jazz fire Corbin, than there is a good possibility that the team will go through coach after coach year after year until there is no stability in the organization, and the players will learn that they can get their way or the coach is canned.

The Jazz have been watching Corbin even since before they hired him on as an assistant. Does it seem likely that they would let all of that go after a few weeks or even months of failure? More likely they will get together with him and brainstorm ways to fix the problem.

The only way Corbin loses his job is if he refuses to work with management on a solution, and that isn't in his personality.

Excellent post. I agree. Also, keep in mind, that Corbin is merely the head of the coaching staff. He does have other people helping him. Just give it some time to see what he can do.

 

[vegas]

The biggest part of the culture lacking is the lack of a bona-fide leader. Imo this is why we have been in the game for the first quarter plus of these first two games and wither away at the first sign of a run from an opponent. I don't know where we are going to get one, but I think we deal with chaos until we acquire via trade, or one emerges.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Just wondering, but how many more blowouts will we have before the losing culture sets in here?

Many players on our team have never had much success in the NBA. In fact, Jefferson has never even been to the playoffs.

So I'm just wondering what your thoughts are about this team's mental state? How many more bad losses before guys like Devin Harris or Al Jefferson mentally just check out? How can they stay competitive if it seems like Dejavu "all over again?" Why will players buy into Ty's system if all they do is lose? How can Corbin maintain his job if this team sucks? If we're still struggling to stay competitive com Feb or March, does Ty Corbin's seat become heated? Last I checked, he isn't exactly Sloan. IMO, Corbin leaves a lot to be desired (so far). If he cannot get this team to at least compete in games, why shouldn't he be fired?

More important than playing time and developing players, what kind of culture is KOC, Greg, Ty, and the rest of this team creating?

5 years ago, and for most of the past few decades, everyone coming to this organization knew what was expected. Today? I think we're searching for an identity.... I just hope that it doesn't become the loser culture that has infected organizations like Minny and Toronto...

I'm not worried about Big Al and Harris checking out. I'm worried about the young guys checking out, not wanting or knowing how to develop their craft because they're not so excited to come to work and/or not coached how to. I'm worried about the young guys not being told or shown a vision of where this headed, probably for no other reason thaan the coach doesn't have one himself. He's just trying to make all the pieces fit in some "fair" way. But it's obvious, to me at least, that he has no true vision. If he did, Jefferson and Harris would come off the bench, and Miles and Bell would get less minutes. I can only hope that KOC told him we're looking to trade Big Al, Miles, Bell, and Harris so find them time to drive up their value. I doubt however that organizations work that way.

 

[mellow]

Culture of winning is going to be tough. The two highest paid players on your roster are lifelong NBA losers, who still have the same game and skill set today that they did when they entered the league 5 -6 years ago. No improvement, minimal effort, but the checks still cash.

What the Jazz are doing is very dangerous, but I see why they are going this route. --With apologies to any cancer victims or surviors, I see it as analogouss to treating cancer. To make the patient healthy you got to almost kill them with treatment.

Taking on Jefferson was a stop gap to try to save Deron...it didn't work. Taking on Devin was necessary to get Favors, Kanter, and GS pick. If the Jazz can survive the Harris and Jefferson era they can look forward to a healthy future.

 

[moevillini]

Just wondering, but how many more blowouts will we have before the losing culture sets in here?

Many players on our team have never had much success in the NBA. In fact, Jefferson has never even been to the playoffs.

So I'm just wondering what your thoughts are about this team's mental state? How many more bad losses before guys like Devin Harris or Al Jefferson mentally just check out? How can they stay competitive if it seems like Dejavu "all over again?" Why will players buy into Ty's system if all they do is lose? How can Corbin maintain his job if this team sucks? If we're still struggling to stay competitive com Feb or March, does Ty Corbin's seat become heated? Last I checked, he isn't exactly Sloan. IMO, Corbin leaves a lot to be desired (so far). If he cannot get this team to at least compete in games, why shouldn't he be fired?

More important than playing time and developing players, what kind of culture is KOC, Greg, Ty, and the rest of this team creating?

5 years ago, and for most of the past few decades, everyone coming to this organization knew what was expected. Today? I think we're searching for an identity.... I just hope that it doesn't become the loser culture that has infected organizations like Minny and Toronto...

Good post and good points.

I think the lock-out hurt the Jazz more than many teams because the Jazz are quite young and have many newer pieces to their roster. Unless I'm mistaken, only CJ and Millsap have been together for more than one full season, and half the roster is either brand new to the team (and each other) or came after mid-season last year.

I'm one of those who feels that team chemistry is almost as important as the skill set and proper coaching strategies, and I think the lock-out had a big negative impact towards developing a good team chemistry.

 

[Jerry Lundegaard]

I'm one of those who feels that team chemistry is almost as important as the skill set and proper coaching strategies, and I think the lock-out had a big negative impact towards developing a good team chemistry.

And you might have an excellent point. But it's nowhere near as fun to vent about that as it is about certain players skill sets and ty's trainwreck of a coaching strategy.

 

[NUMBERICA]

While I am on board with most of KOC's moves over the last year or so, I don't agree with the idea that the vets the Jazz have are going to do anything other than distract the youth from growing. I'd rather have Jarron Collins, Ronnie Price, and Quinton Ross for pennies than Jefferson, Harris, and Bell for $26 MILLION. I would want to keep Bell around if he wasn't a bitch, but Jefferson and Harris have never shown that they were winners.

Sign Joel Przybilla, and trade those washed-up sad sacks for veterans that play like it and/or assets. And this is not a new position of mine.

 

[Stoked]

Excellent point on the chemistry. There have been several miscues that come from just not understanding your team mate style. Chemistry will cut that way down. I am mostly concerned with chemistry amoung Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Evans and Burks.

 

[akirac73]

Too late...I think the losing culture already started setting in last season.

 

[cowhide]

Jazz fans are spoiled. One bad season and two regular season games and we have a loser culture. Give me a break. This Jazz team has played together before so part of the problem is chemistry but the other problem is mis-matched talent. If any culture exists is that the organization is too loyal to marginal players. The mentality of playing veterans simply because they have experience is what has crippled this organization for many years.