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“Keyonte deserves to be an All Star.”
“The coach Keyonte works with is a close friend of mine.”

High praise here but… is Donovan feeling nostalgic about the quality of the Jazz organization?

Maybe, dunno.

While I feel in a way about Mitchell (as a Jazz fan) as "he wanted out of here, therefore I'm also out on him", I also didn't ever grew some especific dislike towards him. Even while wanting out, I'd say he kept It honest and respectful throughout, and while here, he gave us as much as he had to give, regardless if It was as much as we'd hope would be enough for an ultimate championship goal.

He didn't blindsided the franchise and fanbase with some wish wash will he stay or not like Hayward. He didn't force Quin outta town like D-Will with Sloan. He didn't made It ugly with the franchise and handed a shortlist of destinations to significantly tank his trade value. And after he left, I'd say he had more positives than negatives to speak about the Jazz, even If not so much about Utah.
 
Maybe, dunno.

While I feel in a way about Mitchell (as a Jazz fan) as "he wanted out of here, therefore I'm also out on him", I also didn't ever grew some especific dislike towards him. Even while wanting out, I'd say he kept It honest and respectful throughout, and while here, he gave us as much as he had to give, regardless if It was as much as we'd hope would be enough for an ultimate championship goal.

He didn't blindsided the franchise and fanbase with some wish wash will he stay or not like Hayward. He didn't force Quin outta town like D-Will with Sloan. He didn't made It ugly with the franchise and handed a shortlist of destinations to significantly tank his trade value. And after he left, I'd say he had more positives than negatives to speak about the Jazz, even If not so much about Utah.
My issue with him is less the nature of his departure and more that he was a snake in the locker room. He was really young and handed the keys too early so maybe it’s to be expected but he was pulling underhanded **** for several years by the time the Jazz nuked it.
 
I’ll never understand the hate Mitchell gets on here he played hard, he was a great player, he did everything the coach asked of him. Would he have preferred to play elsewhere? Probably but the reality is most players do.
 
Maybe, dunno.

While I feel in a way about Mitchell (as a Jazz fan) as "he wanted out of here, therefore I'm also out on him", I also didn't ever grew some especific dislike towards him. Even while wanting out, I'd say he kept It honest and respectful throughout, and while here, he gave us as much as he had to give, regardless if It was as much as we'd hope would be enough for an ultimate championship goal.

He didn't blindsided the franchise and fanbase with some wish wash will he stay or not like Hayward. He didn't force Quin outta town like D-Will with Sloan. He didn't made It ugly with the franchise and handed a shortlist of destinations to significantly tank his trade value. And after he left, I'd say he had more positives than negatives to speak about the Jazz, even If not so much about Utah.
Great post, also sums up how I feel. He as right by the Jazz as he could have for someone who was committed to leaving. Just wish he could have committed to be the next statute for us.
 
My issue with him is less the nature of his departure and more that he was a snake in the locker room. He was really young and handed the keys too early so maybe it’s to be expected but he was pulling underhanded **** for several years by the time the Jazz nuked it.
I have the impression that he got some good way full of himself, drinking too much of his kool aid, got a bit lost in terms of getting a lot of success and responsability too fast (basically less than 20 games in and he was the leader, present and future of the franchise) and thinking he was a bit bigger than he was, etc and all, but I don't think that It was something completely unexpected, inexcusable, out of norm for young athletes in those situations and positions, nor that he got absurdly way out of line.

The biggest "diva clash" I actually remember, and nearly only one I can really point out the top of my head, was when he forced his way back onto playing in the Memphis playoffs series, which could be visible he needed a bit more time, and maybe we could wait more for him - but with 5 games we lost Conley for the Clippers series, and Ingles and Bogey were clearly exausted by the month and a half or two they had to pick up the slack for Mitchell and Conley injuries in the regular season - something that later resulted in changes in the Jazz medical department. The most important event I recall apart from that was we using a last roster spot in his buddy Eric Paschall, which still was an okay use of an end of bench roster spot.

The two goody shoes Conley for example basically told Quin and/or the FO to shove It when he was told he'd coming off the bench, and after that the change to the starting lineup was never made.

His rift with Rudy is a completely mistery, as not enough was put out there to know how exactly that played out, who's more to blame, etc. But they clearly weren't in the best terms while winning 60 games. My take for the season after that Clippers series loss is that we lost in such an ugly fashion that the group as a whole couldn't buy the collective idea of winning It all while with basically the same roster, qualities and flaws. That they would only expect to lose by the same problems, and everyone played like they didn't trust each others back on the court, regardless of how they liked each other off the court. It wasn't just a Mitchell and Gobert disconnect. Ingles, Conley, Bogey, Royce, everyone played as less than the sum of its parts, and there was lots of friendships in that group still.

If anything, I'd relate this actual Cavs situation to that a lot, in that they had to make a move, not just to work the imbalance in their roster (two redundant small guards and bigs, while very shorthanded in their wings), even to at least make their players believe that If they lost again, at least It would be for another reason. And I don't hear any noise of some particular beef of any Cavs player and Mitchell.
 
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I’ll never understand the hate Mitchell gets on here he played hard, he was a great player, he did everything the coach asked of him. Would he have preferred to play elsewhere? Probably but the reality is most players do.
Because he played like complete *** in the Dallas series mostly
 
I have the impression that he got some good way full of himself, drinking too much of his kool aid, got a bit lost in terms of getting a lot of success and responsability too fast (basically less than 20 games in and he was the leader, present and future of the franchise) and thinking he was a bit bigger than he was, etc and all, but I don't think that It was something completely unexpected, inexcusable, out of norm for young athletes in those situations and positions, nor that he got absurdly way out of line.

The biggest "diva clash" I actually remember, and nearly only one I can really point out the top of my head, was when he forced his way back onto playing in the Memphis playoffs series, which could be visible he needed a bit more time, and maybe we could wait more for him - but with 5 games we lost Conley for the Clippers series, and Ingles and Bogey were clearly exausted by the month and a half or two they had to pick up the slack for Mitchell and Conley injuries in the regular season - something that later resulted in changes in the Jazz medical department. The most important event I recall apart from that was we using a last roster spot in his buddy Eric Paschall, which still was an okay use of an end of bench roster spot.

The two goody shoes Conley for example basically told Quin and/or the FO to shove It when he was told he'd coming off the bench, and after that the change to the starting lineup was never made.

His rift with Rudy is a completely mistery, as not enough was put out there to know how exactly that played out, who's more to blame, etc. But they clearly weren't in the best terms while winning 60 games. My take for the season after that Clippers series loss is that we lost in such an ugly fashion that the group as a whole couldn't buy the collective idea of winning It all while with basically the same roster, qualities and flaws. That they would only expect to lose by the same problems, and everyone played like they didn't trust each others back on the court, regardless of how they liked each other off the court. It wasn't just a Mitchell and Gobert disconnect. Ingles, Conley, Bogey, Royce, everyone played as less than the sum of its parts, and there was lots of friendships in that group still.

If anything, I'd relate this actual Cavs situation to that a lot, in that they had to make a move, not just to work the imbalance in their roster (two redundant small guards and bigs, while very shorthanded in their wings), even to at least make their players believe that If they lost again, at least It would be for another reason. And I don't hear any noise of some particular beef of any Cavs player and Mitchell.
One of the better posts I’ve read on here in some time. Completely agree with this assessment.

My fun theory that I’m not sure I believe is that Mitchell was behind the neon yellow rebrand. Just strikes me as his vibe given his shoe colorways and the way he was conducting himself. When Danny said he wasn’t convinced this team believed in each other enough to win, and that’s why he tore it down, I think everything you wrote is what he was referring to.
 
I’ll never understand the hate Mitchell gets on here he played hard, he was a great player, he did everything the coach asked of him. Would he have preferred to play elsewhere? Probably but the reality is most players do.
The coach asked him to slack off on defense when all he had to do was pretend to try and we could have gone further in the playoffs? Weird.
 
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