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time for obama to earn his salary and disband tsa
 
Who knows how many terrorists were thwarted by tsa? That's not something that they openly publish, I would assume. Of course, the instant a terrorist does something on a plane or at an airport, it will all be the tsa and Obamas fault.
 
E.J. Wells said:
Who knows how many terrorists were thwarted by tsa? That's not something that they openly publish, I would assume. Of course, the instant a terrorist does something on a plane or at an airport, it will all be the tsa and Obamas fault.
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wouldnt it be awesome to publish it.
like we got abu anum alumina el mohamed today at jfk airport he had 40kgs of c4 packed in his bags.
i think a succes story will need to be published
 
Been traveling a lot lately...not a fan of the TSA.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Been traveling a lot lately...not a fan of the TSA.
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Depends where you go - I've been to airports where the TSA have been quick and professional. Newark, JFK and DFW were all OK.

Some not so good, I was at the Orlando Airport, at every station there were 4 or 5 of them just standing around.

I was at the Raleigh-Durham Airport in NC - some pregnant lady tried to bring Similac on to the plane and it turned into a 45 minute ordeal.
 
E.J. Wells said:
Who knows how many terrorists were thwarted by tsa? That's not something that they openly publish, I would assume. Of course, the instant a terrorist does something on a plane or at an airport, it will all be the tsa and Obamas fault.
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Why would you assume that? We know when a drone strike kills a specific individual in the desert of Yemen. Why would we not know when the TSA thwarted an incident? It would be a political win for both the president(Bush or Obama) and the TSA. If there were security concerns about some of the details they would omit those but they would shout victory.

I'm not trying to make a case either way regarding the TSA but I find your secrecy argument unconvincing.
 
candrew said:
Depends where you go - I've been to airports where the TSA have been quick and professional. Newark, JFK and DFW were all OK.

Some not so good, I was at the Orlando Airport, at every station there were 4 or 5 of them just standing around.

I was at the Raleigh-Durham Airport in NC - some pregnant lady tried to bring Similac on to the plane and it turned into a 45 minute ordeal.
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To me that is the problem. No consistency, and it gets really irritating. I left Cincinnati last night and they didn't so anything for screening, the most lax I have seen in 15 years. I kept on my shoes and belt, and they just had me put my bags through the machine, no need to take anything out like my laptop. It was actually pretty cool. However the last time I flew through CVG they did the whole everyone's a terrorist routine. Frankly I don't think they are really making us any safer. This topic has been hashed and rehashed on this site a lot, so I don't really want to expound all over again, but I think it is all a joke. Europe is generally just as tight, but most of the stuff I have seen in Germany and England seems to make a little more sense, although still with so many people to screen and the tremendous lines that build up (London Heathrow has been the worst with Manchester a close second) it gets ridiculous.
 
heyhey said:
Why would you assume that? We know when a drone strike kills a specific individual in the desert of Yemen. Why would we not know when the TSA thwarted an incident? It would be a political win for both the president(Bush or Obama) and the TSA. If there were security concerns about some of the details they would omit those but they would shout victory.

I'm not trying to make a case either way regarding the TSA but I find your secrecy argument unconvincing.
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I agree with this. They should have a board at every airport updated in real time with faces and bios of terrorists their endless ******** has actually stopped. The reason you will never see this is I doubt they have actually stopped anyone BEFORE they started doing something bad. Everything that gets published is people caught in the act trying to do something (the all-liquid bomb is a great example of this), then they set ridiculous things in motion to stop that thing from happening again, while the terrorists KNOW it was a one-time shot and that whether it worked or not they couldn't go back to that again. That is also why you haven't seen other attempts to repeat 9/11. They know that even to the passenger level we wouldn't allow that to happen again. So the TSA will be forever behind the curve in this stuff.
 
heyhey said:
Why would you assume that? We know when a drone strike kills a specific individual in the desert of Yemen. Why would we not know when the TSA thwarted an incident? It would be a political win for both the president(Bush or Obama) and the TSA. If there were security concerns about some of the details they would omit those but they would shout victory.

I'm not trying to make a case either way regarding the TSA but I find your secrecy argument unconvincing.
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I wasn't making an argument, just an educated guess. But since you brought it up, I found the following statistics from 2013:

The TSA discovered the following:

1,813 firearms were discovered in carry-on bags at checkpoints across the country, averaging nearly five firearms per day. Of those, 1,477 (81%) were loaded. Firearms were intercepted at a total of 205 airports with Atlanta (ATL) on top of the list for the most firearms intercepted (111) in 2013.

A live smoke grenade was discovered under the lining of a carry-on bag at Washington Dulles (IAD).

A live flashbang grenade was discovered in a carry-on bag at Portland (PDX).

A live smoke grenade was discovered in checked baggage at Washington Dulles (IAD).

A live “sting ball” riot control grenade was discovered in checked baggage at John Wayne (SNA).

Live smoke and flare canisters were discovered in a checked bag at Phoenix (PHX).

Flare Gun (HOU)

A 3-ounce Can of CS Teargas was discovered in a carry-on bag at Atlantic City (ACY).

A passenger at Houston Hobby (HOU) had a flare gun and six loose flares in his carry-on bag.

562 stun guns were discovered in carry-on bags in 2013.

Ten canisters containing 24-pounds of black powder were discovered in checked baggage at Chicago Midway (MDW).

A live blasting cap was discovered along with an M60 fuse lighter in a passenger’s checked bag at the Manhattan Regional Airport (MHK) in Kansas.

Over nine ounces of black powder was discovered in a carry-on bag at Cleveland (CLE).

Blasting Cap and Fuse Initiator (MHK)

A camping stove fuel bottle with fuel was discovered in a passenger’s carry-on bag at San Francisco (SFO).

After causing an alarm in checked baggage, Officers found a 3.2 ounce flask of black powder, 22 feet of fuse, a large empty CO2 cartridge, and miscellaneous ammunition in a passenger’s bag at Anchorage (ANC).

While resolving an alarm in a checked bag at Honolulu (HNL), a TSA officer discovered two one-pound cans of black powder.
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Crazy that I never heard about any of this stuff! I wonder why that is... Hmmmm... Maybe because the media knows it can sell fear a lot easier than anything else? Spreading ignorant hate and fear of the Middle East is easier when you report about wars, suicide bombers, and drone attacks. Just look at yourself if you have any doubts.

In short, I know you think that you're clearly smarter than everyone, and if anyone disagrees with you then they are wrong. Forgive me, again, for having faith that the government that I helped elect knows just a teeny bit more than you do when it comes to the security of America.
 
That's cool they found all that stuff. It strikes me that they would have found pretty much all of that with the same type of security they had in 1999. None of it was from the new "enhanced" security of today that so bogs down air travel, with the possible exception of the one in checked baggage that set off an alarm.

I would also be curious as to how this differs from say a typical year in the late 90's. Did they discover way more in 2013 vs say 1999? Or the same?

I still am of the opinion that we are realistically no safer in air travel today than we were in 2000 or 1990 due to the increased screening requirements of the TSA in airports. I think we have done some things, such as new rules in accessing the cockpit of an airplane, and some attitudes have changed, such as you better believe that anyone who wants to try to do anything on a plan on which I am a passenger will have to do it over my dead body, that make us generally safer, but it has nearly nothing to do with making the 90 year old dude with the cane take off his shoes to go through the metal detector explosive sniffer device.
 
LogGrad98 said:
That's cool they found all that stuff. It strikes me that they would have found pretty much all of that with the same type of security they had in 1999. None of it was from the new "enhanced" security of today that so bogs down air travel, with the possible exception of the one in checked baggage that set off an alarm.

I would also be curious as to how this differs from say a typical year in the late 90's. Did they discover way more in 2013 vs say 1999? Or the same?

I still am of the opinion that we are realistically no safer in air travel today than we were in 2000 or 1990 due to the increased screening requirements of the TSA in airports. I think we have done some things, and some attitudes have changed, that make us generally safer, but it has nearly nothing to do with making the 90 year old dude with the cane take off his shoes to go through the metal detector explosive sniffer device.
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Agree to disagree, I suppose. Considering the 9/11 hijackers used box cutters to take control of the planes, I think it's a bit more than "cool" that they caught all of those weapons. Some of them were brought to the airport on accident, no doubt (T-Ville's former mayor tried to board a plane last month with a loaded gun in his bag -- claims he forgot it was in there. I know him well and I believe him.) However, a lot of those items were hidden specifically to get past security and to be aboard a plane.
 
Is this another one of those threads where people complain about a broad subject using only their narrow view of the subject matter to decide "absolutely" what should be done?!? If so, I want in!

I never see terrorist and I fly lots and TSA dumb for touching me, gimme my rights!!!


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E.J. Wells said:
Agree to disagree, I suppose. Considering the 9/11 hijackers used box cutters to take control of the planes, I think it's a bit more than "cool" that they caught all of those weapons. Some of them were brought to the airport on accident, no doubt (T-Ville's former mayor tried to board a plane last month with a loaded gun in his bag -- claims he forgot it was in there. I know him well and I believe him.) However, a lot of those items were hidden specifically to get past security and to be aboard a plane.
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I know you were what, 12 in 1999 or something? But even way back then they didn't let you carry loaded guns onto the plane. Nothing new. That is my point, there is really nothing in that list that would have made it through "old-tymey" security from way back in the 90's and even 80's for carry on luggage. I mean we can go 1 by 1 through the list:

The TSA discovered the following:

1,813 firearms were discovered in carry-on bags at checkpoints across the country, averaging nearly five firearms per day. Of those, 1,477 (81%) were loaded. Firearms were intercepted at a total of 205 airports with Atlanta (ATL) on top of the list for the most firearms intercepted (111) in 2013. [they would not have allowed firearms in carry-on baggage in the 90's either. When I took my 9 mill to a friends house in CA for a week trip in 1995 I had to check it and declare it and verify it was unloaded.]

A live smoke grenade was discovered under the lining of a carry-on bag at Washington Dulles (IAD). [no way you would be allowed to take a grenade on the plane in 1995]

A live flashbang grenade was discovered in a carry-on bag at Portland (PDX). [ditto]

A live smoke grenade was discovered in checked baggage at Washington Dulles (IAD). [ditto]

A live “sting ball” riot control grenade was discovered in checked baggage at John Wayne (SNA). [ditto]

Live smoke and flare canisters were discovered in a checked bag at Phoenix (PHX). [ditto]

Flare Gun (HOU) [would not have been allowed in 1995 either]

A 3-ounce Can of CS Teargas was discovered in a carry-on bag at Atlantic City (ACY). [ditto]

A passenger at Houston Hobby (HOU) had a flare gun and six loose flares in his carry-on bag. [ditto]

562 stun guns were discovered in carry-on bags in 2013. [ditto]

Ten canisters containing 24-pounds of black powder were discovered in checked baggage at Chicago Midway (MDW). [this might be a newer one since we now have more sophisticated sniffers for this, but it was also standard to check for this sort of thing back then - but then again this has little to do with checking people at screening points in bizarre fashion either]

A live blasting cap was discovered along with an M60 fuse lighter in a passenger’s checked bag at the Manhattan Regional Airport (MHK) in Kansas. [ditto]

Over nine ounces of black powder was discovered in a carry-on bag at Cleveland (CLE). [ditto]

Blasting Cap and Fuse Initiator (MHK) [ditto]

A camping stove fuel bottle with fuel was discovered in a passenger’s carry-on bag at San Francisco (SFO). [ditto]

After causing an alarm in checked baggage, Officers found a 3.2 ounce flask of black powder, 22 feet of fuse, a large empty CO2 cartridge, and miscellaneous ammunition in a passenger’s bag at Anchorage (ANC). [again probably due to enhanced protocols checking checked baggage, but they had bomb sniffers including dogs from the late 80's - and again has nothing to do with ridiculous screening rules for passengers]

While resolving an alarm in a checked bag at Honolulu (HNL), a TSA officer discovered two one-pound cans of black powder. [ditto]
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So again, I do think the checked bag items has to do with new security rules, and better tech for screening which should be expected anyway in the last 20 years or so, but none of it was found due to the increased screening requirements that TSA is pushing so haphazardly across the country right now. Yeah there is the box knife thing, but stopping those now is a policy change, not the new screening methods. There was a day when they allowed you to take a pocket knife or I even traveled with my leatheman on my belt on a plane. Policy says not allowed so now you can't take those. But it isn't an issue of the new screening methods finding them whereas before they wouldn't.

I would be more impressed if they had things like "sniffer machine found trace amounts of explosives on a person's clothing that lead to finding things hidden in his checked luggage" or "shoes sent through the x-ray found to contain parts necessary to construct a firearm" or something like that, but really their bizarre screening does nothing more than just walking through the metal detectors did in 1995.



note: I picked 1995 as an arbitrary "old" date....
 
I was 18 in '99, not that it matters. The first 25 years of my life I flew planes like a mad man, as my pop worked for Continental and then retired from Delta when they pulled out of SLC. Flying for free was something that my family and I took advantage of whenever we could. I've been in airports around the world and over 30+ airports in the US, not that any of that matters either, but for some reason you make it seem like I'm some inexperienced hack who has never had to be fingered by the tsa. In truth, I have, many times, and as frustrating as it can be, I still don't have a problem with it.

You do. I get it. It's cool, I still love you dog.
 
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Wow.. you and i are same age.



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E.J. Wells said:
Agree to disagree, I suppose. Considering the 9/11 hijackers used box cutters to take control of the planes, I think it's a bit more than "cool" that they caught all of those weapons. Some of them were brought to the airport on accident, no doubt (T-Ville's former mayor tried to board a plane last month with a loaded gun in his bag -- claims he forgot it was in there. I know him well and I believe him.) However, a lot of those items were hidden specifically to get past security and to be aboard a plane.
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did you know one of those muythbusters dude accidentally took 2 12 inch long razorblades on an airplane post 911.
 
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