Jazz Sacramento trade revisited

[framer]

Before the draft I proposed the following trade:

Jazz Take: Derrick Williams, Carl Landry, the ghost of Jason Terry, #8 pick
Jazz Give: Rudy Gobert

With that extra cash, the Kings would have had 13 million in cap room which would have acquired Lance Stepenson quite nicely.

I was blasted for this being an uneven trade in favor of the Jazz. Knowing what we know now, would you still make this trade? What is the #8 were locked into Nik Stauskas? Would the Kings make the trade?

Keep in mind that this probably erases all of our free agent acquisitions this year such as Booker.

I suspect that Gobert is valued much more highly now than he was then. . .

 

[franklin]

 

[The Midnight]

Before the draft I proposed the following trade:

Jazz Take: Derrick Williams, Carl Landry, the ghost of Jason Terry, #8 pick
Jazz Give: Rudy Gobert

With that extra cash, the Kings would have had 13 million in cap room which would have acquired Lance Stepenson quite nicely.

I was blasted for this being an uneven trade in favor of the Jazz. Knowing what we know now, would you still make this trade? What is the #8 were locked into Nik Stauskas? Would the Kings make the trade?

Keep in mind that this probably erases all of our free agent acquisitions this year such as Booker.

I suspect that Gobert is valued much more highly now than he was then. . .

OK I missed that initial trade post but it is an interesting idea for sure.


Let's look at this. At #8, I believe Vonleh was still on the board at the time, he is probably the consensus #8 pick before SAC surprised everyone by taking Stauskus. By all accounts, Vonleh is also a SOLID draft prospect, he was compared to a young Chris Bosh at one point with his ability to shoot it from range for a big man. Defensively he is also pretty solid as well.


So if I were Dennis Lindsey, I see this trade as basically Gobert VS Vonleh straight up - and that's a close call IMO. Vonleh would be GREAT next to Favors with his shooting to stretch the floor. Gobert could potentially surpass Favors though in terms of his defensive potential.


But I get the feeling the Jazz are still looking for the future PF in Karl Towns in the next draft... so I guess not going through with that trade is probably the right thing to do.

 

[Nate505]

I wouldn't fault people or the Jazz for trading Gobert for Vonleh or Satukis straight up (ok, more fault for the Canadian), and both may end up being better all around players than Gobert is.

However, and I'm sure a lot of this is drinking the Gobert kool-aid for the past few months, I think Gobert has potential to be an absolute elite paint defender in this league that the Jazz haven't had since Mark Eaton, and a guy with more offensive potential than Eaton (which isn't saying much). If so, I'd rather hold onto that.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I think we have something very special in Gobert. I would be sad to see him go, and I would not have been in favor of this trade either then or now.

 

[framer]

Yeah, I would have done this deal back then, partly because I thought we were getting Aaron Gordon. If we had Aaron Gordon, we would have needed, and could have afforded, a superior offensive player with possible defensive deficiencies. Getting Exum kind of ruined that reasoning, so knowing what I know now, I wouldn't want this trade. I have to say, however, that Gobert would look right sexy next to Cousins and would putty over a lot of problems with Sacramento. . .

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Gobert is a guy that can shut things down in crunch time and help us secure secure


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[Thee Jazz Fan]

Gobert is a guy that can shut things down in crunch time and help us secure secure


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A lot of victories


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[Doublea]

I don't think Sacramento would do that trade.

 

[framer]

The upside for Sacramento is that they get Gobert + a free agent of their choice (or 13 million worth of multiple free agents.) They could have kept Isaiah Thomas as well. On Sacramento's end it isn't straight up Gobert for Stauskas. That could have converted dead roster space for something they could use.

 

[The Midnight]

Gobert is a guy that can shut things down in crunch time and help us secure secure


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It depends if we're sold on Favors or not. If He's our guy for the next 10+ years, then Gobert would only be coming off the bench anyway, so it would be better to have someone like Vonleh next to Favors.


But if we're not sold on Favors long term, then yeah Gobert could be that guy in crunch time.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think Sacramento would do that trade.

I agree

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

It depends if we're sold on Favors or not. If He's our guy for the next 10+ years, then Gobert would only be coming off the bench anyway, so it would be better to have someone like Vonleh next to Favors.


But if we're not sold on Favors long term, then yeah Gobert could be that guy in crunch time.

Favors and Gobert can play together.


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[The Midnight]

Favors and Gobert can play together.


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Pretty sure under Quin's system he wants at least 1 big who can shoot the 3 ball. (or long 2's ala Aldridge)


The Hawks last year all 5 guys can shoot the 3 ball.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Good lord!! They don't need to play the whole damned game together. It's called situational basketball!


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Pretty sure under Quin's system he wants at least 1 big who can shoot the 3 ball. (or long 2's ala Aldridge)


The Hawks last year all 5 guys can shoot the 3 ball.

Pretty sure he wants to play the lineups that help the team win the most. If that's a lineup where every player has a range of 2 feet, then so be it.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I think we have something very special in Gobert. I would be sad to see him go, and I would not have been in favor of this trade either then or now.

I didn't neg the original post, but I came out strongly against it, IIRC. I liked Vonleh and was advocating taking him over Gordon (when we thought Exum would be a top-4 pick). But like donuts said, we have something special in Gobert. And I think that was evident last season. Rudy showed flashes...enough to only trade him if a package brings back a young all-star.

It's funny how many fall in love with certain draft picks based solely on draft potential, yet we had a BIG already on the team who was full of potential and had already shown some significant progress.

 

[Stifle Tower]

It depends if we're sold on Favors or not. If He's our guy for the next 10+ years, then Gobert would only be coming off the bench anyway, so it would be better to have someone like Vonleh next to Favors.


But if we're not sold on Favors long term, then yeah Gobert could be that guy in crunch time.

I don't think that's the case at all. IF Favors can also play PF, then there is room for both, no matter who starts. 96 mins at the 4/5; that's 32 mins for 3 players.