Just A Thought....

[7StraightIsGreat]

But as we see the Spurs systematically destroy yet another opponent in their march to another NBA title, maybe there isn't all that much wrong with this current Utah Jazz squad after all? Now I know that notion will cause some to accuse me of drinking the kool aid, but with the amazing amount of youth on this squad, maybe most of "the core" for the future of this franchise is already place.

Don't get me wrong, some moves do need to be made in the offseason, but I don't think they need to be drastic. For the next 4 or 5 years, Utah could bring back virtually the same squad and improve each and every year considering the experience they'd be gaining and the continuity that would be formed along the way.

IMO you win with two things in the NBA: talent and continuity. They already have some good pieces of talent in place. Hopefully, with some of Utah's trade assets and a little bit of luck, Utah will be able to add some more talent in need areas (such as PG of the future). As far as continuity, I wouldn't have a problem at all if Utah brought back mostly the same team as last year. I realize that may put me in the minority in this board, but I'd like to see what this team can do with an actual offseason together and having time to actually practice during an 82 game season. Considering the condensed schedule and limited practice time NBA teams had this season, I find it pretty amazing that Hayward, Favors, Burks, and Kanter all seemed to get better as the season wore on.

How good can they be when given the chance to develop during the course of a "normal" NBA season? I for one am willing to find out before I start calling for trades and wholesale changes at certain positions on the roster.

 

[The Midnight]

But as we see the Spurs systematically destroy yet another opponent in their march to another NBA title, maybe there isn't all that much wrong with this current Utah Jazz squad after all? Now I know that notion will cause some to accuse me of drinking the kool aid, but with the amazing amount of youth on this squad, maybe most of "the core" for the future of this franchise is already place.

Don't get me wrong, some moves do need to be made in the offseason, but I don't think they need to be drastic. For the next 4 or 5 years, Utah could bring back virtually the same squad and improve each and every year considering the experience they'd be gaining and the continuity that would be formed along the way.

IMO you win with two things in the NBA: talent and continuity. They already have some good pieces of talent in place. Hopefully, with some of Utah's trade assets and a little bit of luck, Utah will be able to add some more talent in need areas (such as PG of the future). As far as continuity, I wouldn't have a problem at all if Utah brought back mostly the same team as last year. I realize that may put me in the minority in this board, but I'd like to see what this team can do with an actual offseason together and having time to actually practice during an 82 game season. Considering the condensed schedule and limited practice time NBA teams had this season, I find it pretty amazing that Hayward, Favors, Burks, and Kanter all seemed to get better as the season wore on.

How good can they be when given the chance to develop during the course of a "normal" NBA season? I for one am willing to find out before I start calling for trades and wholesale changes at certain positions on the roster.

It took Stockton & Malone more than 10 years together to reach the Finals.

Just a thought.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

It took Stockton & Malone more than 10 years together to reach the Finals.

Just a thought.

Different era, different team. I think the Jazz believe in their formula and I think it's a smart thing to do so. As one of the smallest market teams in all of pro sports, you've got to have a blueprint you believe in and have the fortitude to stick with it.

They obviously will never be in a position to make splash after splash in free agency. The path to contention for Utah is smart drafting, shrewd mid-level FA pick ups, and the ability to keep those pieces together long enough that playing together makes running the offensive and defensive systems second nature.

 

[billyshelby]

Good points, but we don't have the killer nucleus that the Spurs/OKC have, nor do we have the broad talent of the Pacers. Most importantly, we're not running a system yet that really plays to the strengths of the guys we do have. But it's very early. We don't know what we have yet.

Eventually, the talent will sort itself and we'll know who to build around. The key is Ty adjusting his system to whatever that core reveals itself to be, not trying to force players into a predetermined system as if we know who the core is.

 

[pickledXgrandma]

Like a good neighbor, Statefarm is there...and a championship trophy!

 

[Gameface]

Like a good neighbor, Statefarm is there...and a championship trophy!

 

[Stoked]

I think this team will be better next year. Having said that, Utah will never win the championship with the roster we have now. Moves need to be made to better the D and perimiter shooting. We also need that leader on the team. I would prefer the PG be that leader personally.

 

[NAOS]

The key is Ty adjusting his system to whatever that core reveals itself to be, not trying to force players into a predetermined system as if we know who the core is.

In football speak:
please, Ty, be Belichick not a poor man's Mike Shannahan.

I'm for the minimal change that involves ditching our leading scorer and rebounder.

/broken record

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

In football speak:
please, Ty, be Belichick not a poor man's Mike Shannahan.

I'm for the minimal change that involves ditching our leading scorer and rebounder.

/broken record

This.

 

[zman1527]

Good points, but we don't have the killer nucleus that the Spurs/OKC have, nor do we have the broad talent of the Pacers. Most importantly, we're not running a system yet that really plays to the strengths of the guys we do have. But it's very early. We don't know what we have yet.

Eventually, the talent will sort itself and we'll know who to build around. The key is Ty adjusting his system to whatever that core reveals itself to be, not trying to force players into a predetermined system as if we know who the core is.

Ty is the biggest key and the biggest unknown and unknowable. Maybe he is the guy and maybe not. There is nothing to point that suggests he is a great coach.

Right now I am not convinced he is the guy. The comments of Raja and CJ about lack of communication suggest again that he is indecisive, he does not know really what he wants to do. Every comment and view of the team more or less backs this up: lack of early candidates for assistants, not naming a captain, changing starters on a whim (Josh Howard). Indecisiveness = a lack of vision, lack of a plan = likely failure. I hope I am wrong because I think he will be coach here for a long time regardless of outcome. They figure if they give him 10 years he will figure it out like Ol' Jer did (or almost did).

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Ty is the biggest key and the biggest unknown and unknowable. Maybe he is the guy and maybe not. There is nothing to point that suggests he is a great coach.

Right now I am not convinced he is the guy. The comments of Raja and CJ about lack of communication suggest again that he is indecisive, he does not know really what he wants to do. Every comment and view of the team more or less backs this up: lack of early candidates for assistants, not naming a captain, changing starters on a whim (Josh Howard). Indecisiveness = a lack of vision, lack of a plan = likely failure. I hope I am wrong because I think he will be coach here for a long time regardless of outcome. They figure if they give him 10 years he will figure it out like Ol' Jer did (or almost did).

I'm not 100% sure that Ty is the guy either, but I would put ZERO stock in what Bell and Miles had to say. Both are bitter and simply getting a parting shot in. The rest of the team seemed really positive about Ty. I know Ty and Devin Harris had some issues, but they seemed to work through them. I also like that Ty didn't name a captain. To me, it sends a message of teamwide accountability.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ty is the biggest key and the biggest unknown and unknowable. Maybe he is the guy and maybe not. There is nothing to point that suggests he is a great coach.

Right now I am not convinced he is the guy. The comments of Raja and CJ about lack of communication suggest again that he is indecisive, he does not know really what he wants to do. Every comment and view of the team more or less backs this up: lack of early candidates for assistants, not naming a captain, changing starters on a whim (Josh Howard). Indecisiveness = a lack of vision, lack of a plan = likely failure. I hope I am wrong because I think he will be coach here for a long time regardless of outcome. They figure if they give him 10 years he will figure it out like Ol' Jer did (or almost did).

Making the playoffs despite everyone predicting he wouldn't be able too?

Yes, he got swept 4-0, but the Spurs are looking to be a historically dominant team.

 

[Stoked]

Yes the Spurs are an elite team but keep in mind they have played the Clippers and Jazz. Will they dominate this way against the Thunder? I do not think so. I'd say the talent in the West drops off after the #2 seed (an argument can be made for #3 seed).

 

[RealFansStand]

Ty is the biggest key and the biggest unknown and unknowable. Maybe he is the guy and maybe not. There is nothing to point that suggests he is a great coach.

Right now I am not convinced he is the guy. The comments of Raja and CJ about lack of communication suggest again that he is indecisive, he does not know really what he wants to do. Every comment and view of the team more or less backs this up: lack of early candidates for assistants, not naming a captain, changing starters on a whim (Josh Howard). Indecisiveness = a lack of vision, lack of a plan = likely failure. I hope I am wrong because I think he will be coach here for a long time regardless of outcome. They figure if they give him 10 years he will figure it out like Ol' Jer did (or almost did).

Raja Bell talking about anyone else's "lack on communication" is a joke. This is a guy who had his agent call the Utah Jazz front office to ask if they wanted him to get back into shape when he was healthy rather than walking in and asking for himself.

 

[franklin]

I get the continuity case for the Jazz young core but using championship success to push the theory is a little misguided, IMO. It's easy to stick together and win when you have multiple championship talent (LA, Spurs). Every other team has brought in huge pieces to win a title--Boston, Dallas, Miami, LA post Shaq.

The Jazz have no mufti-championship talent at this point so they'll have to either import it or draft it. Building a Detroit is possible but I don't see it without adding a very strong point guard at minimum.

 

[asian_roger]

Life would be complete if the Jazz obtain the championship before Lebron does hahaha

 

[cowhide]

There is no way that the Jazz will win a championship staying the course. SA has added and subtracted to their team. If you stay the same then teams will pass you because they are trying to get better. Internal improvement is great but teams still have to make adjustments to get to the final destination. Jazz were winning with S&M but when they made the trade to get Hornacek that helped them get in the Finals along with internal improvement and drafting a few more players.

I like the core of the Jazz but when building a team you have to look at all the competition. You may win a series or two but this current Jazz team is far away from beating the Spurs and OKC in a series. I have my doubts they can beat LA or Dallas in a series. I think the Jazz can beat Memphis, Clippers, and the rest of the Western teams. I don't think they can beat a healthy Chicago and Miami. I have my doubts with Indy and the Celtics. What is nice though some of the teams they can't beat are older than the Jazz. Only OKC and Indy are relatively young. My point is that the Jazz will be certainly in the mix in a few years but they need to always improve the team and address the issues such as shooting, team defense and who is the leader?

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Yes the Spurs are an elite team but keep in mind they have played the Clippers and Jazz. Will they dominate this way against the Thunder? I do not think so. I'd say the talent in the West drops off after the #2 seed (an argument can be made for #3 seed).

You're talking about a Spurs team that has only lost twice since April (and that's when they were resting players). True, we haven't seen them go through OKC yet, but for the last 2 months, SA is playing some of the most dominant basketball I've ever seen.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Raja Bell talking about anyone else's "lack on communication" is a joke. This is a guy who had his agent call the Utah Jazz front office to ask if they wanted him to get back into shape when he was healthy rather than walking in and asking for himself.

What does this even mean? A pro athlete needs his team to tell him whether he should get in shape or not? Do you have a link to a version of this story that makes sense?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I get the continuity case for the Jazz young core but using championship success to push the theory is a little misguided, IMO. It's easy to stick together and win when you have multiple championship talent (LA, Spurs). Every other team has brought in huge pieces to win a title--Boston, Dallas, Miami, LA post Shaq.

The Jazz have no mufti-championship talent at this point so they'll have to either import it or draft it. Building a Detroit is possible but I don't see it without adding a very strong point guard at minimum.

This is what it takes to win? Why didn't anybody mention this before. We've been investing all of our efforts in completely the wrong direction!