Well if they connect it to the Bush arguement that the whole world is a battlefield...
Edit: No I do not think it si some conspiracy but if they were to put arguemnt A and B together that could be very bad.
Legal killing of American Citizens
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Well if they connect it to the Bush arguement that the whole world is a battlefield...
Edit: No I do not think it si some conspiracy but if they were to put arguemnt A and B together that could be very bad.
SaltyDawg
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When asked that very question several times, the administration refused to answer.
Weird. You'd think that would be in the text of the memo.
*searches*
Here's a NY Times article
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/...ews-on-killing-citizens-in-al-qaeda.html?_r=0
which links to a scan of the actual memo, https://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf
Yes, after scanning parts of that document, I find that on page 6 of that pdf, it says "...against a U.S. citizen, who is located outside the United States and is an operational leader continually planning attacks against U.S. persons and interests..."
Page 9 also refers to "...targeting a U.S. citizen abroad..."
I haven't read the whole thing, but my cursory glance makes it seem that the document is exclusively talking about people located outside the U.S.
SaltyDawg
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Yeah the video I posted earlier in this thread tells you how to get the actual memo. It also shows administration officials refusing to answer that question. It then shows a senator saying he wants the answer to that question too.
Keep in mind, the memo is not the actual policy here. It's just a memo discussing what the current administration is actually doing. The actual policy/law/rule/whatever you want to call it that supposedly makes this legal is classified.
SaltyDawg
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I have no problem with drone killings. I just have a problem with American citizens getting killed without due process.
RJF
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I agree. It just seems ridiculous that waterboarding is so demonized but drone killings are not.
SaltyDawg
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Why is that ridiculous?
Drone killings to me is not much different from being killed by a missile, or a bomb dropped from a plane, or even being shot by a soldier.
Torturing prisoners is an entirely different thing. I'm not okay with torturing prisoners.
SaltyDawg
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So essentially you are okay wityh the end but not the means. Makes perfect sense.
Everything I have seen on this says that we didn't get any valuable information from the "enhanced interrogation techniques" and actually got false information in a lot of cases.
And even if we were able to get valuable information by torturing people, I would still be against it.
There are other ways to get valuable information. Obviously. Obama has killed way more terrorists than Bush, and he hasn't used any of the "enhanced interrogation techniques" to find them.
Water boarding and drone killings are both supported by Republicans. In the case of water boarding, it was easy for Democrats to oppose it. Partisanship makes it harder for Democrats to go against the Democratic drone-killer.
Enhanced interrogation has actually been very ineffective. It doesn't get valuable information, and in particular doesn't lead to drone targets.