Medicare

[Siro]

northeast, as a leftist I read your posts and cringe, and feel compelled to root for the right instead. My phone book has gotten zero rest, due to it being smashed against my face every time I come across another pile of dung you leave disguised in typed-form.

Careful now. He'll put you on his ignore list.

 

[northeast]

dalamon the socialist is so proud of his turd posts...
All grown up, and still unable to move past the potty training stage of his development.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?11765-Jazzfanz-Official-Poop-Thread/

If loving you is wrong, I want to be right.

 

[franklin]

Right - but don't forget that when you eliminate someone via means testing in a plan like Medicare you're also eliminating the cost sharing benefit they make via premium payments (which I believe is applied akin to a progressive tax).

I don't buy that as the cap was $99.10/month on combined incomes of something like $365,000/year in 2010 or 2011. How can having these people on the roles not increase costs?

Not to mention it then becomes a plan for "poor people" - like Medicaid.

That's how I prefer my welfare. I don't plan on going to the food bank when I turn 65 demanding my weekly bag of apples because I paid into the system my whole life. Let's take care of those in need & let the able share the burden.

 

[Deleted member 848]

dalamon the socialist is so proud of his turd posts...
All grown up, and still unable to move past the potty training stage of his development.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?11765-Jazzfanz-Official-Poop-Thread/

If loving you is wrong, I want to be right.

Not sure what is more impotent;



This post, or PKM's downstairs-mixup.

 

[Former Member]

The longer life expectancies often lead to more medical bills over time. That does create a drain onr esources.

Can you show me where I ever indicated that we should in any way limit seniors medical care? Or trying to establish their worth.

Do you care to debate the simple tenent I put forward that increased life spans equal greater amount of medical bills over time?

Note that I never, anywhere in this thread, advocated or called for limiting elderly care in any way, shape or form.

You did not advocate limiting elderly care. However, you described the financial cost of medical care as "a drain". Thus, the statement insinuates that our investment into the elderly has no value. Now, if your statement would have read "strain" I might have took it a little different.

I must admit that "the drain" only influenced me because of WM's sarcasm which was obviously over the top. Also, I don't believe that you actually believe that the elderly have no value. I mentioned that I believed that you were using an abrasive form of irony.

Sorry if I misread your post. Also, I'm sorry if my post came off as abrasive in any way as well.

 

[Stoked]

You did not advocate limiting elderly care. However, you described the financial cost of medical care as "a drain". Thus, the statement insinuates that our investment into the elderly has no value. Now, if your statement would have read "strain" I might have took it a little different.

I must admit that "the drain" only influenced me because of WM's sarcasm which was obviously over the top. Also, I don't believe that you actually believe that the elderly have no value. I mentioned that I believed that you were using an abrasive form of irony.

Sorry if I misread your post. Also, I'm sorry if my post came off as abrasive in any way as well.

When I go to the doctor I am draining some of the medical care. Simple statement of fact.

 

[Former Member]

When I go to the doctor I am draining some of the medical care. Simple statement of fact.

I misread what you meant by drain, I apologize. I would like to ask you a question, Stoked. How much should we allow an individual to drain our medical resources until we don't allow him or her to drain medical resources anymore?

I personally am an advocate for the drains of society because I am one myself. I may not need much medical treatment and resources now, however, the time will more than likely come when I will need to become a drain on resources in order to live. The members of our society that drain the most resources such as the elderly, the disabled (both physically and mentally), and the children should be invested in because they are a stark reminder of our shared dependency on others. I don't believe that an individual can ever become too large of a drain.

As I am typing this, however, I am already thinking of a scenario which contradicts what I just typed. Suppose an individual is brain dead and is on full life support and ventilation. He or she simply cannot survive without full medical treatment. I do not believe there is anything immoral about letting an individual in this state die naturally. However, I believe these scenarios are highly individualized and should not fall under a blanket statement.

Sorry if my post went long. I did not want to pose a question without taking a stab at it myself. I'm curious to hear what you think.

 

[Stoked]

I misread what you meant by drain, I apologize. I would like to ask you a question, Stoked. How much should we allow an individual to drain our medical resources until we don't allow him or her to drain medical resources anymore?

I personally am an advocate for the drains of society because I am one myself. I may not need much medical treatment and resources now, however, the time will more than likely come when I will need to become a drain on resources in order to live. The members of our society that drain the most resources such as the elderly, the disabled (both physically and mentally), and the children should be invested in because they are a stark reminder of our shared dependency on others. I don't believe that an individual can ever become too large of a drain.

As I am typing this, however, I am already thinking of a scenario which contradicts what I just typed. Suppose an individual is brain dead and is on full life support and ventilation. He or she simply cannot survive without full medical treatment. I do not believe there is anything immoral about letting an individual in this state die naturally. However, I believe these scenarios are highly individualized and should not fall under a blanket statement.

Sorry if my post went long. I did not want to pose a question without taking a stab at it myself. I'm curious to hear what you think.

You mean like cutting off a patient from medical care? No thank you. No way, no how. We should never stop care becasue a patient is elderly, infermed or otherwise unable to actively contribute to society.

Edit: I have no problem with a family choosing to allow their love oned to die that is on life support. That's their decision and I feel for them.

In your case you should not be denied care becasue you are "a drain" on resources. YOu have as much right to those "resources" as I do.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

You mean like cutting off a patient from medical care? No thank you. No way, no how. We should never stop care becasue a patient is elderly, infermed or otherwise unable to actively contribute to society.

Edit: I have no problem with a family choosing to allow their love oned to die that is on life support. That's their decision and I feel for them.

In your case you should not be denied care becasue you are "a drain" on resources. YOu have as much right to those "resources" as I do.

Nobody is cutting off healthcare from anyone.
Healthcare in this country has always been taken care of, but apparently now everyone thinks it's a role for the government.

How about the Federal Reserve just print more money to take care of medicare, instead of taking it out of my pay check.
Oh wait..... they already print money, and then nobody knows where it goes instead.

 

[Stoked]

Nobody is cutting off healthcare from anyone.
Healthcare in this country has always been taken care of, but apparently now everyone thinks it's a role for the government.

How about the Federal Reserve just print more money to take care of medicare, instead of taking it out of my pay check.
Oh wait..... they already print money, and then nobody knows where it goes instead.

He asked my opinion on that topic and i asnwered. We can talk about it if we want. I also like how you squeezed in your obligatory remark on the Fed Reserve.

DIE HORSE DIE!!!!!! DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!










Not saying I disagree, just poking you with a stick my crazy friend.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

He asked my opinion on that topic and i asnwered. We can talk about it if we want. I also like how you squeezed in your obligatory remark on the Fed Reserve.

DIE HORSE DIE!!!!!! DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!










Not saying I disagree, just poking you with a stick my crazy friend.

Nice poke.

That's what she said.

 

[Former Member]

You mean like cutting off a patient from medical care? No thank you. No way, no how. We should never stop care becasue a patient is elderly, infermed or otherwise unable to actively contribute to society.

Edit: I have no problem with a family choosing to allow their love oned to die that is on life support. That's their decision and I feel for them.

In your case you should not be denied care becasue you are "a drain" on resources. YOu have as much right to those "resources" as I do.

Thank you for the response. Rep'd