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Millsap vs Mystery Player (Off-Season Signing Choice)

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blackham9258

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Given Consensus: Millsap will garner 4 years at $9-$12Million Per, Millsap is a good starter but a great bench player. We would prefer he eventually come off the bench but are worried he won't do it, and we would prefer to pay him $8M per. We may differ a little here but here is what I would do:

Given the new CBA I don't want to pay a 6th man more than $8M, I would rather have a guy at $5M be my stud 6th man big.

Millsap Career PER is 18.72 and he could cost us as much as 5/$50-$60M

I would rather sign a player who we could get on a 3/$15M deal who has a career 18.3 career per and will fill that roll quite nicely. He and Paul have about the same time in the league and both have been starters and back ups in their careers.

Before I reveal who it is: Answer whether you think it a more wise use of cap space to go after a very similar player who can be had for a lower price tag and still produce at near the exact same level, or whether we want a 6th man at $10+M coming off our bench eventually. (My basic premise is that if Paul Millsap is your starting PF you are a mediocre team, if he is your 3rd big you can be beastly.)

What would you do with the cap space? Sign Paul to big money, or add equal talent to a smaller contract and save space?
Who do you think I am thinking of?
Or who would you sign and for what money?
 
blackham9258 said:
Given Consensus: Millsap will garner 4 years at $9-$12Million Per, Millsap is a good starter but a great bench player. We would prefer he eventually come off the bench but are worried he won't do it, and we would prefer to pay him $8M per. We may differ a little here but here is what I would do:

Given the new CBA I don't want to pay a 6th man more than $8M, I would rather have a guy at $5M be my stud 6th man big.

Millsap Career PER is 18.72 and he could cost us as much as 5/$50-$60M

I would rather sign a player who we could get on a 3/$15M deal who has a career 18.3 career per and will fill that roll quite nicely. He and Paul have about the same time in the league and both have been starters and back ups in their careers.

Before I reveal who it is: Answer whether you think it a more wise use of cap space to go after a very similar player who can be had for a lower price tag and still produce at near the exact same level, or wether we want a 6th man at $10+M player coming off our bench eventually. (My basic premise is that if Paul Millsap is your starting PF you are a mediocre team, if he is your 3rd big you can be beastly.)

What would you do with the cap space? Sign Paul to big money, or and equal talent to a smaller contract and save space?
Who do you think I am thing of?
Or who would you sign and for what money?
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Sign the other guy.
 
Carl Landry it is. He couldn't find a place to land this off season... victim of being a guy who wasn't correctly valued early on by his original team (Houston) and thus was traded and once traded became a vagabond... and I think that is why his value is a little more in the category of Journey man, whereas Millsap has the mistique of playoff appearances, a single franchise... and being a better all around player slightly. Played for Sloan, with Deron Williams etc.

Landry signed a 2 year $8M deal paying $4M this year but a player option next. Certainly GSW will want to re-up him in the off-season but with the higher need to re-up Jarret Jack as a high level backup to an injury prone starter in Curry, and the fact that Rush got injured and will likely pick up his player option...

It is my belief that barring injury Landy is a lock to opt out... and become a free agent in a weak market... I would go Phoenix Suns on him like they did with Raja and offer him a take it or leave it 3/$15 deal fully guaranteed deal at 12:01 July 1... I think a journeyman like him would snatch that up quickly and GSW coudn't do a thing.
 
I certainly would miss Millsap, but part of why we love him deep down as GM forum followers is his price tag... I don't want to like him less at $10-$12M per year. I also want to put people in their proper rotation in the basketball universe... and Paul is a great back up but he is just too pricey as a backup.
 
tl;dr

Bigs have been given away the last few years. Plus amnesty. I want Paul as 5th/6th when Kanter is ready but would happily take a Brandon Bass/Jermain O'Neal/Kaman/Scola contract if it meant spending the money on a much more rare 3-2 league talent.

The league is giving away decent power forwards for 2-3 million a year. Jazz must take advantage of this if they can (hello Boozer 2.0 hahahahahaha shutup).
 
My preference would be to set up that eventuality now: Trade Paul/Marvin/Raja for Pau Gasol now and hope (but I expect he would return to stud form as the focal point in Utah), and then sign Landry as the back up in the off season.

Favors/Landry
Gasol/Kanter

I feel the young guys need one more season to either step up or not and then come next deadline if they show promise send off Gasol for picks and other assets and go with Favors,Kanter,Landry or if they aren't showing the promise trade Kanter presumably for another asset.

Besides I have a sixth sense telling me that SAN ANTONIO is going to go hard after Paul in the off season... it just makes too much sense for them.
 
I could go with Hickson but I see Portland overpaying to keep him. It is interesting that the league isn't paying for quality 3rd bigs right now. In fact I do worry that Paul will regret not taking that extension last summer... I worry that teams will shy away from his asking price.

It amazes me that K Martin didn't get a contract that guy is very decent offensively, but a stud defensively. Sacramento overpaid for Thompson/Chuck Hayes when they could have had Hickson cheaper and shorter term...

What causes that? I think I might be right about original team trading a player... always kind of seems to make them seem like there is something wrong..

Why do you guys think this is? Is is partly teams have a harder time low balling their own guys?
 
I agree the role we want Millsap to play on this team can be filled by a guy like Landry, JJ, Bass, etc. Millsap is clearly better than those players, but all we want for him here is a 6th man role which we can get much cheaper elsewhere.
 
Zaza Pachula 5.5
Hakeem Warrick 4.0
Jason Maxiel 5.0
Carl Landry 4.0
David west 10.0
JJ Hickson 4.0

More options if you look at RFA, but Jazz won't chase them.
The new rules are supposed to curb spending. If I'm the Jazz I'd wait and see.
 
I think given that this years FA's are so weak with so few names that the lesser teams that need to show their fans that they are doing something will spend some money... But I think with the heavier tax coming next year will cause some serious squeeze on the contract length and size. But as always it always takes just one.

I still think that Paul will end up in SA... it just makes too much sense for both.
 
Everyone knows that over the next two years, the Jazz will have more cap space than they'll know what to do with anyway, right? And that they have to spend the money one way or another?
 
I'm all about outside-the-box thinking and getting a sweet deal, but when was the last time Landry, Bass, Haslem, Maxiell, or whoever else qualifies in that list was the best player on a poorly-constructed, under-developed team that defied all expectations and sneaked into the playoffs? Who has Landry been producing against the last two years? How has he produced in the last two years? Are his teams substantially better or worse with him on the floor or is a ton of his career production a carry-over from his Houston years where his PER was aberrationally and outrageously high?

This post was shot entirely from the hip so some of those are actual questions though I'm sure my impression of the likely answer can be inferred. I think Millsap is closer to David West and David Lee than your run-of-the-mill undersized overachiever off the bench at this stage.
 
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