I don't think that I have unreasonable expectations; not even I was bold enough to say that the Jazz had a high chance of beating the Lakers (although if they had made a conscious, concerted effort to develop one or both of the bigs and enforce Boozer playing defense, things might have been different). To me, a reasonable expectation for this team was reaching the WCF, which might have meant that it was necessary to get better than the 4th seed. Utah did neither. Exceeding expectations would have been reaching the finals; what they did accomplish was underperforming.The problem comes down to you, InGame, and not Jerry Sloan. You have unreasonable expectations. That might sound defeatist, but I do not believe, regardless of who is coaching, this team is capable of going out there and exceeding that potential.I mean, if I believed that, then I must believe they're capable of beating the Lakers and I can't ever concede that. In fact, I question anyone who really believes this team is built for that.
If I was unable to find fundamental errors in coaching strategy (e.g., substitution patterns, player development) then I wouldn't be criticizing Coach Sloan and claiming that they failed to reach their potential. Problem is that I have been a fan for decades and have seen these errors repeated time after time. To Sloan's credit, the team seems to have good chemistry now (even though Boozer is still a headcase and an ineffective co-captain, it appears that everybody got along).
That's all I was claiming. Utah had the ability to wine one or more games--and one or more playoff series--than they did. The difference is plenty small, and there were several regular-season games this season that I believe were winnable with better coaching strategy.But your point still doesn't stand because there is not enough to back up the claim Utah would be better off without Sloan. This isn't a case where Utah is woefully underperforming or continually missing the playoffs. They're not doing either. We're not the New Orleans Hornets or the Houston Rockets. This team was a win away from probably being in the exact same position as the Suns were this season (meaning losing in the West Finals to the Lakers instead of the second round). Maybe that would have eased concerns. Maybe it wouldn't have. However, to act like the Jazz are at the point where they need a coaching change is down right hooey.
I think that you're extrapolating from my argument because I never claimed that this team had the most talent. But they underperformed. And the adjustments aren't hard; you simply play less of two undersized PFs together and a slow Euro + a defenseless Boozer. You also bench players for a posession or two who are underperforming (for whatever reason) and give more minutes to those who are doing well, no matter their rank on the totem pole. Go back and watch the final game of the Suns series; Gentry stuck with the backups until late in the 4Q, and they almost won the game for him. Unfortunately he succumbed to the Sloan like tendency of relying on the veterans, and it didn't work, but Sloan probably would've pulled the backups long before the 3 to 5 minute mark because that's what he did in almost every game--if not every game--of the Laker series. Such a strategy resulted in a big-fat goose egg. Key word? Strategy. Changeable. Adaptable. To sloan's credit, he played Fesenko more in the final game, but Fes needed PT during the regular season--even when he was being a goof-off off the court. So even though Fes was a net positive out there, he wasn't bordering on being a consistent player on both ends of the court. Who decided the playing time? Our perennial underachiever, Jerry Sloan.I say this not to fully exonerate Coach Sloan - but rather because the situation isn't as easy as you make it sound. In a perfect world the Jazz would cut ties with Sloan and find a coach who could step in and maximize this talent to the point where they are, unquestionably, the best team in the NBA.
Not sure why you and other apologist fans are simply satisfying with making a dent in the playoffs instead of maximizing this team's potential, which they definitely didn't. Whether the ceiling of this team was a 6-game exit in the WCF or a title is more debatable IMHO than whether they failed to meet their reasonable potential.
Well, I already pointed out that both Popp and PJ (and Sloan, for thtat matter, started as assistants, so it is very narrow-minded to not use the assistant route as a viable source of new coaches. And again, my contention is that Sloan failed to properly exercise more than one fundamental coaching technique, especially when it comes to substitution choices and player development, which should be enough in my book to not renew his contract if he shows no indication of changing (he's shown little over 20 years).Unfortunately, I don't see any coach doing that. Certainly not an unproven assistant who has never been a head coach at this level. That's important because while the most optimistic outlook may potentially be attained in your highest dreams, there is also the potential for a hire that sets the franchise back years.
ROFLMAO that you would argue that a coach would clash with the players when Sloan is probably among the absolute worst in the league in maintaining good relationships with all of his players. To his credit, relationships seem good now, but Sloan is remarried and older, so it's no surprise that he's mellowed out. Also, Deron's leadership has helped to start building cohesion on the player level, and that player-level leadership was absent between the Malone/Stock era and the Deron era.Like maybe the next coach comes in and clashes with Deron Williams. We know Williams has not turned on Sloan (well to the point where I feel comfortable in saying this). Is it likely? Who knows. But all we have to do is look across the NBA to see failed coaching experiments. It happens every year. It happens to every franchise. Some luck out, like L.A., and others fire and fire and fire until they finally make the moves necessary to pull in the talent needed to compete.
No one is expecting the perfect hire. No coach is perfect. I'm asking for a coach that exercises fundamental coaching techniques, including player evaluation and matchup evaluation.How many NBA teams would you say made the perfect hire? I'm not suggesting a good coach (someone who constantly gets their teams to the playoffs, wins 50+ games and often makes it beyond the first round - that's Sloan). I mean a really great coach. Someone who steps in and wins a championship with the talent the team was not winning with prior to his arrival.
Well, if my expectations are that the Jazz's coach have the same caliber as the coaches who have actually won a championship, then call me optimistic. And if my claim is that when a coach fails to meet these expectations, his contract shouldn't be renewed, call me demanding. What is a true tenet is that if you keep doing the same thing, chances are that you will keep having the same results. Which is what happened this year. Utah had decent discipline, OK teamwork, a pick-and-roll system that worked against most teams. But defense wins championships, and Sloan didn't put this team in a position to win the defensive battle. The Jazz wings probably maxed out what they could do vs. Kobe, but the 4/5 spots did not against their respective opposition. What weakens your argument is that I have identified specific weaknesses in Sloan's coaching rather than simply saying that Sloan sucks. Not sure why you are so interested in riding Sloan's jock when they got pwned in the second round.There are only three coaches in the NBA recently I can think of who had that ability: Phil Jackson, Larry Brown & Pat Riley. Jackson did it twice. Once with the Bulls when he took over for the fired Doug Collins (who has somehow found a job coaching the Sixers) and when he took over the Lakers after Kurt Rambis was fired. Brown with Detroit. And of course, Riley with Miami. The others who were fortunate to win titles (Popovich, Rivers) only won those titles when they found the pieces needed (Duncan for the Spurs, Allen and Garnett for the C's) to do just that.
I'm not a fan of those other teams, so I don't care. And the notion that other teams failed isn't a justification for Utah failing also.How many other teams have failed in that regard? Lots.
What part of inept substitution patterns, subpar player development, and inadequate matchup evaluation do you not understand?So yeah. You may, possibly be right that there is a better coach out there. But what are the odds the Jazz land him? If you think about it, with how high turnover is in the NBA, it isn't good.
That's the problem with your argument. You've made no legitimate point Sloan deserves to not be re-signed. And stating that you believe the Jazz haven't lived up to their potential is subjective and, with a bit of rational and factual debate, could probably be debunked.