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Dr. Jones

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Obama has some explaining to do if this article, and especially the transcript are legit.

"What Happened In Benghazi"


The State Department has released a transcript of a briefing that two high-ranking department officials gave to a number of reporters via conference call on October 9 (Tuesday). I am not certain about this, but I believe the transcript was only made public today. You should read it in its entirety; it is the most detailed description I have seen of the events in Benghazi on September 11.


While this is by no means clear, it appears that the State Department may have released the transcript as part of the escalating conflict between Barack Obama and Joe Biden and the Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton. In their desperation to avoid responsibility for the Benghazi debacle, Obama and Biden have pointed fingers in two directions: at the intelligence community for reporting incorrectly that the incident was a protest over a YouTube video clip, and at the State Department for not providing adequate security for the Ambassador."

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/10/what-happened-in-benghazi.php
 
I think that this happened at the worst possible time for Obama. I am also starting to buy into the WHite House v. State Dept. arguement just a little. The State Dept releasing documents that contradict the narrative of the White House makes Obama look like he is either lying or simply is not interested enough to know the truth. Either way that directly hurts him and takes away one of his perceived strengths: foreign policy.

I think this issue along with the debate is what is fueling the Romney surge. Obama has to get a handle on this or he will lose the election.
 
Stoked said:
I think this issue along with the debate is what is fueling the Romney surge. Obama has to get a handle on this or he will lose the election.
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What's fueling the Romney surge is the media - just like every other October surge by the opponent that's been trailing in the presdential election for the last 28 years. Whatever it takes to keep you tuning in to their tv show or buying their newpaper or reading their blog.

As for the Libya thing, it's great fodder for the right; but this isn't going to change anyone's mind. After two wars and thousands of Americans dead, the american people have been completely desensitized by death. Horrible? Yes - but also a reality.
 
candrew said:
What's fueling the Romney surge is the media - just like every other October surge by the opponent that's been trailing in the presdential election for the last 28 years.
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Who else around these parts is expecting an October surprise?
Possibly a terror attack that would actually be "false flag"??

It's possible that the attacks on U.S. Embassies are already the surprise..... but something drastic has to happen if the powers that be want to keep Obama in President. You know?

[video=youtube_share;tpAOwJvTOio]https://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio
 
candrew said:
What's fueling the Romney surge is the media - just like every other October surge by the opponent that's been trailing in the presdential election for the last 28 years. Whatever it takes to keep you tuning in to their tv show or buying their newpaper or reading their blog.

As for the Libya thing, it's great fodder for the right; but this isn't going to change anyone's mind. After two wars and thousands of Americans dead, the american people have been completely desensitized by death. Horrible? Yes - but also a reality.
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I think it matters not because of the killing itself, which is what should matter, but in how the story is being told. Now it appears that the state dept and the white house are very much at odds. Add that to the denial that this was a terrorist attack initially by the whte house and it make Obama look unconnected to reality, a liar or weak. It will likely come off as a combination of the three.

If Obama had come out immediately and said this wa a terror attack on our ambassador and this will not be tolerated. This people responsible will be found and brought to justice. Just like we found Osama Bin Laden. That would have shown the reverse. Played up his foreign policy, shown he was strong and trustowrthy. Obama blew this. He had a "good crisis" and he fumbled the hell out of it.
 
I'll take an attack on an embassy any day over a large scale attack resulting in the deaths of thousands of Americans on our home turf.

Repubs, desperate to find weaknesses in our foreign policy and security (which has been fantastic), are grasping at straws here. Yes, from time to time we'll have an embassy attacked or a boat attacked. It happens. And will always happen. But it's major attacks like 9/11 that we must stop.

It was a major attack like 9/11 which repubs don't want to own up to. Remember the right? 9/11 was all Clinton's fault. Bush/Cheney weren't responsible for it at all.

The past 4 years have been awesome. No major attacks, we're pulling out of ME dumpholes, we've owned Iran, we've played the "Arab Spring" perfectly, and we've killed Osama.

I'll take 4 more years of that over what happened under repub rule any day. Thousands upon thousands of Americans killed, failing to protect our greatest city, turning American planes into missiles, 2 wars, and failing to capture/kill those responsible, pissing off our allies, alienating so many others, etc.
 
Stoked said:
I think that this happened at the worst possible time for Obama. I am also starting to buy into the WHite House v. State Dept. arguement just a little. The State Dept releasing documents that contradict the narrative of the White House makes Obama look like he is either lying or simply is not interested enough to know the truth. Either way that directly hurts him and takes away one of his perceived strengths: foreign policy.

I think this issue along with the debate is what is fueling the Romney surge. Obama has to get a handle on this or he will lose the election.
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Obama is not interested. I have a relative who is a specialist on the Middle East. After serving in the Marines and seeing action in Iraq, he returned to the U.S. and joined the CIA. On several occasions, he presented intelligence data to Pres. Bush during the president's morning briefing sessions. According to him, Pres. Obama did away with the detailed briefings. He simply wasn't interested in spending his time to hear what the "boots on the ground" had to say. It's this disconnect that has now come back to haunt Obama. More than likely, Obama WASN'T aware the ambassador had requested more security and wasn't aware it was indeed a terrorist attack. But in this case, ignorance is truly no excuse.
 
franklin said:
This is why you don't mess with the Clintons. They will get you one way or another.
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^^^^^This... She has her political career on the line. I think they have their sights on running in 2016(even though this is her one and only term as SoS). They aren't going to sit back and let Obama/Biden throw her and her future under the bus.
 
The Thriller said:
I'll take an attack on an embassy any day over a large scale attack resulting in the deaths of thousands of Americans on our home turf.

Repubs, desperate to find weaknesses in our foreign policy and security (which has been fantastic), are grasping at straws here. Yes, from time to time we'll have an embassy attacked or a boat attacked. It happens. And will always happen. But it's major attacks like 9/11 that we must stop.

It was a major attack like 9/11 which repubs don't want to own up to. Remember the right? 9/11 was all Clinton's fault. Bush/Cheney weren't responsible for it at all.

The past 4 years have been awesome. No major attacks, we're pulling out of ME dumpholes, we've owned Iran, we've played the "Arab Spring" perfectly, and we've killed Osama.

I'll take 4 more years of that over what happened under repub rule any day. Thousands upon thousands of Americans killed, failing to protect our greatest city, turning American planes into missiles, 2 wars, and failing to capture/kill those responsible, pissing off our allies, alienating so many others, etc.
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Come on! The last 4 years? So there was a major attack 5 years ago? I must have missed it.

I had an instructor in the Navy who was on the USS Cole when it was attacked. I'd personally like to do what we can to stop our ships from being attacked as well as our cities. Now, as a former member of the military I agree, if our enemies are going to attack us I'd prefer they attack the people who volunteered for military service and not office workers, but that doesn't mean I accept cowardly attacks such as the one that took place against the USS Cole.
 
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