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Rajon Rondo, Josh Smith, and the Jazz

spycam1

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All the recent rumors surrounding Rajon Rondo and Josh Smith gave me an idea...

A three-way trade between Boston, Utah, and Atlanta.

-Boston gets: Josh Smith + Devin Harris + Golden State pick

-Utah gets: Rajon Rondo + J. O'Neal

-Atlanta gets: Al Jefferson + G. Steimsma + E. Moore

(This works on ESPN: https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=77w8mgm)

Why Boston does this:

According to the rumors (Boston Herald, and other "inside sources"), Rondo is apparently too much of a headache to deal with anymore, and because of this, they are actively shopping him. Sources say they are looking to rebuild, and want draft picks along with young studs. In the shopping process, they discovered his trade value isn't quite as high as they had hoped (because of his personality), and would be lucky to get equal value back for him. This trade gives them a borderline All-Star in Josh Smith, who is still relatively young at 26, a past All-Star in Devin Harris, who is not that old, along with a likely top 10 pick in a loaded 2012 draft. They wanted young studs and draft picks, and this would give them that, along with a replacement PG.

They also need more scoring in the post, so starting Smith at PF and KG at center could be adequate. He fits into their present, as well as their long term plans.

And Harris, with his better play lately, would be a perfectly fine PG to fill the void left by Rondo.

This trade would give the Celtics a starting lineup that could make some noise in the Eastern Conference this year (Harris, Allen, Pierce, Smith, Garnett), while also giving them two, possible three, legitimate pieces to their future. I don't think they can realistically hope for more than that.

Why Atlanta does this:

If Smith is really demanding to be traded before the deadline, then they would be lucky to get a player of equal value back in return, since they wouldn't have much time to shop him. Enter Big Al. Both of these players receive mixed reactions from fans; they both definitely have something to offer a team, but also have obvious flaws. What I'm getting at is that they're basically on the same level, both in terms of my gut feeling toward their impact on a team, and statistically. Atlanta can play Jefferson at center, thus allowing Al Horford to move to his, supposedly, more natural position at PF, when he's back in action.

By replacing Smith with Jefferson, I don't think they lose much of a beat. And like I said, Atlanta would be lucky to find a better deal, both due to the small amount of time they have to trade Smith, and the realistic trade value he has. Jefferson seems like a very fair deal to me, especially considering the circumstances.

(Side note: Steimsma and Moore are just there to make the salaries work).

Why Utah does this:

Utah gets the passing PG they have been desperately lacking. We all know that there are plenty of question marks surrounding the three PG prospects in the draft (Rivers, Marshall, Lillard) so anyone of them is a bit of crap shoot (I think Rivers is a safe bet to be good, but there are definitely questions about his ability to play PG).

Anyway, many people, including myself, have suggested that we trade Harris, Millsap, and the GS pick for Rondo and O'Neal. Most people suggesting it voiced that they would rather trade Jefferson, but didn't think Boston would go for that since they had already had him once, and probably would want the younger Millsap anyway, since they are looking to rebuild. But by involving Josh Smith, there is now a way to trade Jefferson instead of Millsap; we could hold on to Millsap as our 6th man, since the plan has always been to have Kanter and Favors as the starting bigs of the future. And by trading Jefferson, Kanter and Favors would finally get the minutes they both need, and deserve; the youth movement could finally begin...for real.

In addition to the increased playing time this trade would bring the young bigs, Rondo's passing and leadership could be very key in developing them quicker. And lets face it, Kanter and Favors are still a ways away from having a complete offensive game--they could use someone like Rondo to get them easy looks.

Lastly, yes, we would be giving up the GS pick. But since it would take time for the team to readjust after the trade, there is still a good chance our own pick would still be in the lottery, giving us a chance to draft our SF of the future (Quincy Miller)?


All of this is based on the idea that Boston really is shopping Rondo, and that Smith really does want out of Atlanta, but if those two things are true, then I think this trade could be the answer to both organization's problems, and more importantly, would be perfect for the Jazz's future.
 
So you want Utah to give up Jefferson, Harris and the GSW pick for Rondo? Are you high? That is far to much for Rondo. Jefferson and Harris okay. That GSW pick is more valuable than Harris. No way we should have to give up that much for a guy they are trying to force out of town. I would think that Millsap and Harris should get it done. If not then they want too much and we should just wait till the off season. Which is what we should probably do to solve our PG dilema anyway.
 
That and Atlanta gets screwed. Josh Smith is far more valuable than Al Jefferson and the two end of the bench Celtics. Which ever draft changes hands it would be going to Atlanta.
 
Ondo is only good if you have shooters. We do not have shooters. That takes away 1/3 of Rondo's game. No thanks.
 
So you want Utah to give up Jefferson, Harris and the GSW pick for Rondo? Are you high? That is far to much for Rondo. Jefferson and Harris okay. That GSW pick is more valuable than Harris. No way we should have to give up that much for a guy they are trying to force out of town. I would think that Millsap and Harris should get it done. If not then they want too much and we should just wait till the off season. Which is what we should probably do to solve our PG dilema anyway.


I totally agree, and I feel a little mislead. That's a terrible title for this post, u should have said yet another Rondo trade idea. With Utah getting back a soon to be retired oneal and no Josh smith.

Bell Harris millsap for Rondo bass. then gs pick, miles, for smith with Utah taking Marvin Williams with there trade exception.
 
Why blow up our team when we're doing pretty good?

Why take on Josh Smith?

Lets just roll with what we got, see where it takes us, and then get a few good draft picks from the lotto?

Why rock the boat? I like this chemistry. Jefferson and Harris are playing the best ball since arriving in Utah.
 
When I think of ways to make the Jazz better now and especially longterm, the first thing that comes to mind is going out and getting two sour/bad attitude players where one would make the Jazz an even worse shooting team, and the other doesn't help with the Jazz's logjam at one (and by extension, two) positions. All we have to give up is a potentially great asset for the future of this team and guys that like being here and aren't chumps as players themselves.
 
First off lets assume the rumors are true that rondos too big a headcase to deal with (which i don't full believe, hes a headcase yes, but are the celtics unable to deal with him, i doubt it). Are the Celtics looking to aquire Josh Smith, yes, but if they're looking to move someone because they're a headcase why would they bring in Josh Smith for him, substituting another headcase. I think the main reason Celtics would want to bring in Josh Smith IS to play with Rondo. They're good friends and played together in High School. I think trading away Rondo to aquire Josh Smith would not be positive for the celtics and therefore they wouldn't do it. Overall this whole trade for Josh Smith is hinged I believe on the idea of Rondo staying a celtic, and giving him someone to play with.
 
Jefferson is a good rotation big. If the rest of our players had more offense, he'd fit right in. The problem right now is that the Jazz get stuck in a rut where Jefferson is option 1 and option 2, unless Millsap is feeling it, in which case he's just option 1. He might even make more effort on defense if he didn't need to play 35 minutes and take 20 shots against double teams every night.
 
First off lets assume the rumors are true that rondos too big a headcase to deal with (which i don't full believe, hes a headcase yes, but are the celtics unable to deal with him, i doubt it). Are the Celtics looking to aquire Josh Smith, yes, but if they're looking to move someone because they're a headcase why would they bring in Josh Smith for him, substituting another headcase. I think the main reason Celtics would want to bring in Josh Smith IS to play with Rondo. They're good friends and played together in High School. I think trading away Rondo to aquire Josh Smith would not be positive for the celtics and therefore they wouldn't do it. Overall this whole trade for Josh Smith is hinged I believe on the idea of Rondo staying a celtic, and giving him someone to play with.

Nice post.
 
When I think of ways to make the Jazz better now and especially longterm, the first thing that comes to mind is going out and getting two sour/bad attitude players where one would make the Jazz an even worse shooting team, and the other doesn't help with the Jazz's logjam at one (and by extension, two) positions. All we have to give up is a potentially great asset for the future of this team and guys that like being here and aren't chumps as players themselves.

Let's be honest. Neither is a great jump shooter. I agree with your post. These deals would be terrible for us. Why do we want 2 headcases that ultimately would find every reason to be unhappy here as they were there?
 
Booooooooooooooo

Stopppppp! With the stupid Rondo threads. We aren't getting him.

1. He will cost too much
2. We aren't ready for a run. So there is no point in getting him


Think about it. When our young core is ready, where is Rondo going to be in his career? Probably a step past his prime and playing for a different team.

Just deal with the fact that we are rebuilding. It's going to take a few years. You all love KOC so much. Well this is where he put us. Deal with it. Now let's rebuild the right way and start loading up on draft picks to compliment what we already have. Derrrrrrrr!
 
Ondo is only good if you have shooters. We do not have shooters. That takes away 1/3 of Rondo's game. No thanks.

This.

Rondo has been effective in Boston largely because of who surrounded him. I would be surprised if he did any better than Harris, who wants to be here, and doesn't have a reputation for being a real pain in the ***.

Just say NO to Rondo.
 
This.

Rondo has been effective in Boston largely because of who surrounded him. I would be surprised if he did any better than Harris, who wants to be here, and doesn't have a reputation for being a real pain in the ***.

Just say NO to Rondo.

Clueless.

/puttingitnicely
 
Clueless.

/puttingitnicely

Now, I don't agree with Bronco, but let me ask you this. How does Rondo fit in with the Jazz. First, he hates to lose. Adding Rondo isn't going to make this team a 50 win team. Second, he can't shoot. We need shooters. Third, nobody on this team can shoot. If we traded for Rondo, we immediately drop his assist #'s by 2-3 due to our lack of shooting. Rondo makes absolutely ZERO sense for Utah.
 
Rondo is complete. But rather than me write a book, I'll just say the assertion that Rondo is no better (or only slightly better) than Harris is bordering on absurdity. Truth.
 
The difference in opinion concerning what Rondo is worth is pretty bizarre. Some say Harris + Millsap + GS pick is WAY too much, while others say Boston would laugh at that offer, and that we would have to give up Favors or Kanter.
 
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