Shot Selection?

[Grandpa Jazz]

Posted some of this elsewhere and don't think i am getting any bang for my buck. Can someone illuminate this situation further. The Jazz shoot more shots from 20-24 feet than any other team in the NBA. Yet rank 25th in 3 point shots attempted. Seems patently obvious that we are taking a lot of shots just inside the 3 point line. I have always suspected that the Jazz system has always resulted in inefficient shots being taken. But the extent of these two stats make my mind reel. Don't believe there is any way to relate these numbers to time on the shot clock but suspect a great many come late in the shot clock. In other words it seems to me they fritter away the shot clock trying to get a great shot or get the ball inside (often leading to TO's) and then have to take bad shots from deep. Couple that with not being particularly accurate shooters and you have the kind of disaster that is the Utah Jazz this season. Any thoughts.

Can't recall who said this on a Jazz broadcast. But i think it was an NBA head coach. He stated that the Jazz of the past (read Stockton and Malone era) put great pressure on his teams defense by taking early offensive opportunities. Well this certainly is no longer the case. Doesn't this seem like another large failing of the Tyrone Corbin era? Is anyone beside myself sick to death of watching Hayward dribble around looking for an opportunity or a pass he can make that makes sense, changing direction multiple times (often loosing the ball). Probing, probing constantly for a situation that never materializes then attempting to unload the ball (shot or pass) and it all ends in disaster. Hayward having the ball in his hands seems a huge disaster. Yet i think most here agree that he is the overall floor general instead of Burke (or anyone else). No matter what the team does in other areas of the game (rebounding, assists, defense tipped balls etc.) they are bound to fail big time. worse point differential in the league. I like Gordon Hayward as a player, just think he is hugely misused.

Its a hard time to be a Jazz fan!!

 

[DutchJazzer]

Posted some of this elsewhere and don't think i am getting any bang for my buck. Can someone illuminate this situation further. The Jazz shoot more shots from 20-24 feet than any other team in the NBA. Yet rank 25th in 3 point shots attempted. Seems patently obvious that we are taking a lot of shots just inside the 3 point line. I have always suspected that the Jazz system has always resulted in inefficient shots being taken. But the extent of these two stats make my mind reel. Don't believe there is any way to relate these numbers to time on the shot clock but suspect a great many come late in the shot clock. In other words it seems to me they fritter away the shot clock trying to get a great shot or get the ball inside (often leading to TO's) and then have to take bad shots from deep. Couple that with not being particularly accurate shooters and you have the kind of disaster that is the Utah Jazz this season. Any thoughts.

Can't recall who said this on a Jazz broadcast. But i think it was an NBA head coach. He stated that the Jazz of the past (read Stockton and Malone era) put great pressure on his teams defense by taking early offensive opportunities. Well this certainly is no longer the case. Doesn't this seem like another large failing of the Tyrone Corbin era? Is anyone beside myself sick to death of watching Hayward dribble around looking for an opportunity or a pass he can make that makes sense, changing direction multiple times (often loosing the ball). Probing, probing constantly for a situation that never materializes then attempting to unload the ball (shot or pass) and it all ends in disaster. Hayward having the ball in his hands seems a huge disaster. Yet i think most here agree that he is the overall floor general instead of Burke (or anyone else). No matter what the team does in other areas of the game (rebounding, assists, defense tipped balls etc.) they are bound to fail big time. worse point differential in the league. I like Gordon Hayward as a player, just think he is hugely misused.

what jazz system?

 

[Grandpa Jazz]

Guess i can't expect a whole lot more than the type of response i got from DutchJazzer. It seems to me a particularly damning picture of Coach Corbin. Well certainly another "fire Corbin" thread is pointless. To the devil with threads. Need to have a public dialogue about fans unhappiness with the status quo. Needs to get into mainstream (local) media or we are just needlessly flapping our lips.

 

[mellow]

The jazz are married to the flex (at least Ty Corbin's version of it) and are unwilling to let go. I have had a hard time with it for years, because of the shots it produces for sure but more because of the notion that it takes a new player two or three years to learn it. Ty seems to be better than Sloan at integrating new players, at least the veterans, but it still sis producing some crappy shots.

When I watch other nba games I am impressed with the easy shots the various teams get, particularly those they get on secondary breaks. The jazz for whatever reason don't take advantage of the easy shots the opponents give them, seems like they are more concerned with running the set and taking a shot late in the shot clock than actually scoring. I'm hoping trey will have the basketball sense and court vision to take advantage of the easy stuff.

 

[candrew]

Jazz may be the worst transition team in the NBA - definitely the most predicatable and they rarely put pressure on the opposing defense. Has Favors or Kanter even attempted an outlet pass more than 2 feet all season?

I have high hopes for Burke - I believe he sees the floor like a true PG. Once he makes the offense his own we'll start to see a lot more easy baskets.

 

[jope]

The jazz are married to the flex (at least Ty Corbin's version of it) and are unwilling to let go. I have had a hard time with it for years, because of the shots it produces for sure but more because of the notion that it takes a new player two or three years to learn it. Ty seems to be better than Sloan at integrating new players, at least the veterans, but it still sis producing some crappy shots.

When I watch other nba games I am impressed with the easy shots the various teams get, particularly those they get on secondary breaks. The jazz for whatever reason don't take advantage of the easy shots the opponents give them, seems like they are more concerned with running the set and taking a shot late in the shot clock than actually scoring. I'm hoping trey will have the basketball sense and court vision to take advantage of the easy stuff.

unfortunately, I have a feeling that breaking the set and taking the easy shot instead of what Ty dictates is what puts players in his doghouse.

 

[candrew]

unfortunately, I have a feeling that breaking the set and taking the easy shot instead of what Ty dictates is what puts players in his doghouse.

I don't think you can play your way into Ty's doghouse. You're born into it depending on your date of birth.

 

[fishonjazz]

The jazz are married to the flex (at least Ty Corbin's version of it) and are unwilling to let go. I have had a hard time with it for years, because of the shots it produces for sure but more because of the notion that it takes a new player two or three years to learn it. Ty seems to be better than Sloan at integrating new players, at least the veterans, but it still sis producing some crappy shots.

When I watch other nba games I am impressed with the easy shots the various teams get, particularly those they get on secondary breaks. The jazz for whatever reason don't take advantage of the easy shots the opponents give them, seems like they are more concerned with running the set and taking a shot late in the shot clock than actually scoring. I'm hoping trey will have the basketball sense and court vision to take advantage of the easy stuff.

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I hate hiw often I see kanter with an open jump shot but won't shoot it because he has to "run the offense" first.
If a player has an open, easy shot then they should take the shot.
Instead the jazz pass up easy shots to run the offense and end up with a harder shot at the end of the shot clock