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Release the Kraken

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I want to see more Sexton and Kessler minutes. We should absolutely be looking to trade both Conley and Olynyk. Let’s discuss some potential deals that could be out there for both.
Due to your former allegiance to the dark side (Proud Boys…err I mean Tank Wankers) I’m obviously a tad suspicious of your motives. Conley I get, he’s old and got one foot out the door already. Anyway, anybody with any brains can see that Sexton is ready for a bigger role on this team. But Olynyk regularly does things that Kessler could only dream of such as playmaking, perimeter D and three point shooting. You do realize that he’s shooting a whopping 47% from three right? Don’t ding him because he can’t keep Ayton off the boards on the back end of back to back. Ayton is one of the most physical and athletic big men in the league.
 

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This Sexton hype is comic.

Jazz have lost all the games where Sexton (according to some..) has played brilliantly.

Does that not say anything to these Sexton fans, including Bailey..
Lol. We beat denver by a bunch when Sexton played brilliantly. Good troll post though.
 

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Due to your former allegiance to the dark side (Proud Boys…err I mean Tank Wankers) I’m obviously a tad suspicious of your motives. Conley I get, he’s old and got one foot out the door already. Anyway, anybody with any brains can see that Sexton is ready for a bigger role on this team. But Olynyk regularly does things that Kessler could only dream of such as playmaking, perimeter D and three point shooting. You do realize that he’s shooting a whopping 47% from three right? Don’t ding him because he can’t keep Ayton off the boards on the back end of back to back. Ayton is one of the most physical and athletic big men in the league.
The 47% is Fantastic! The three attempts per game isn't though. (he makes 1.5 threes per game. If i were defending the jazz I wouldn't worry all that much that KO is going to kill us with his 4.5 points per game he gets from the 3 point line)
And his perimeter defense is not good.

He is also a starting 7 foot center who averages 4.8 rebounds per game. Also averages too many turnovers and way too many fouls. His 3 assists per game is pretty good and his scoring is ok but he has so many HUGE team killing deficiencies.
 

HermanG

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This Sexton hype is comic.

Jazz have lost all the games where Sexton (according to some..) has played brilliantly.

Does that not say anything to these Sexton fans, including Bailey..
There is no hype. No one here thinks Sexton is the next big thing. I dont even see anyone saying he is definitely a starter.

However there is a lot of very strong hate for the guy and people trying to defend the guy.

Hardy wouldnt be much of a coach if he said: "Danny, I know we got this 23 yo 16M guy at the bench but I dont want to try and develop him because he was not winning in Cleveland."

Thats the haters argument as to what he should do (after all, he is untradeable according to them). Most in here disagree though.
 

fishonjazz

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There is no hype. No one here thinks Sexton is the next big thing. I dont even see anyone saying he is definitely a starter.

However there is a lot of very strong hate for the guy and people trying to defend the guy.

Hardy wouldnt be much of a coach if he said: "Danny, I know we got this 23 yo 16M guy at the bench but I dont want to try and develop him because he was not winning in Cleveland."

Thats the haters argument as to what he should do (after all, he is untradeable according to them). Most in here disagree though.
Really good post.
 

Release the Kraken

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The 47% is Fantastic! The three attempts per game isn't though. (he makes 1.5 threes per game. If i were defending the jazz I wouldn't worry all that much that KO is going to kill us with his 4.5 points per game he gets from the 3 point line)
And his perimeter defense is not good.

He is also a starting 7 foot center who averages 4.8 rebounds per game. Also averages too many turnovers and way too many fouls. His 3 assists per game is pretty good and his scoring is ok but he has so many HUGE team killing deficiencies.
Well he definitely needs to take more threes, that much is a given. I disagree about the team killing deficiencies however. I mean he is a stretch five after all so his rebounding opportunities are going to be limited. Actually he’s a lot more than just a stretch five as he does a lot of playmaking. He’s a bit of a unicorn in that way. Replacing him directly with Kessler who is more of a traditional five as a starter would entail that we completely overhaul our offense and finding a stretch five that does everything that Olynyk does would be nearly impossible and totally impossible in his price range. Lets compare him to two other seven foot stretch players for comparison, Porzingis and KAT (both much higher paid):

Criteria used was this season only.
Per 36 minutes: Olynyk beats Porzingis in FG%, 2pt FG% and 3pt FG%, 554 to 459, 607 to 522 and 471 to 355. And also in FT% at 806 to 794 - so he beats him in every shooting category. Porzingis beats Olynyk in rebounding, blocks and turnovers, 9.5 to 6.2, 1.7 to .8 and 2.1 to 2.8. Olynyk beats Porzingis in assists and steals, 4.0 to 2.9 and 1.6 to .8. Olynyk commits more fouls 5.3 to 3.8. Porzingis has a higher scoring average 22.9 ppg to 16.3 ppg.

Per 36 minutes: Olynyk beats KAT in FG% and 3 pt FG%, 554 to 508 and 471 to 328. KAT beats Olynyk in 2pt FG% and FT% at 624 to 607 and 898 to 806. KAT beats Olynyk in rebounding and assists, 8.9 to 6.2 and 5.6 to 4.0. Olynyk beats KAT in steals, blocks and turnovers, 1.6 to .8, .8 to .7 and 2.8 TOV to 3.2. Olynyk commits more fouls, 5.3 to 4.1. KAT has a higher scoring average, 22.4 ppg to 16.3

Seems like he stacks up pretty well as a starting stretch seven footer to me.
 
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K

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I want to see more Sexton and Kessler minutes. We should absolutely be looking to trade both Conley and Olynyk. Let’s discuss some potential deals that could be out there for both.
You and me seeing eye to eye doesn’t seem right, but I agree. KO is a useful player but I’m getting sick of how bad he is defensively and at times kills this team, and also sooooo sick of seeing a confused and bewildered look on his face as if he’s a victim everytime he’s called for a foul, but who knows, maybe it’s just gas?
I was thinking KO, vando and a pick to the warriors for Wiseman and kuminga.
Not giving a pick. Lmao
I think nearly everyone has a market outside of Conley, and I'm sure you CAN trade Conley, but you are probably taking back a worse contract.
We can do that, we’re rebuilding so it shouldn’t matter much, teams will look past the contract because he can play and help teams win and be better team.
 

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Tim MacMahon was on ESPN700 today. He said he gets the sense that there is a lot more interest around the league in Conley now than there was over the summer, said there's also a lot of interest in Clarkson but he's not sure the Jazz want to move him. He also brought up a hypothetical idea that has been discussed on this board of Olynyk for James Wiseman.
 


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