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Utah Jazz to build during draft or free agency 2015-2016?? Or???

Lakers_Slapper

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There is no doubt about our play towards the last few months of the season. We played great, there is no way that anyone can take that away from the Jazz. However there is one thing that is given at the end of the season to only one team, the team that was the best above and beyond all the other teams in the NBA. This one thing is called an NBA championship. (Maybe you have heard of it) For some reason the talk of a title has become somewhat of fairy tale for most fans of the Utah Jazz. However with the ultimate goal being able to be a title contender. There are two mentalities that that Jazz could have.
#1. Win now and make a trade or trade's for some big name player/players that could help bring us to the promise land.
#2. Is to build the talent based on the draft and continue adding talent to a selected core hoping to build them to be a championship caliber team.
The ownership and general management will not do anything in terms of taking the necessary risks to be a championship caliber team unless the fans speak up. They will continue to be a mediocre team until enough fans voice their opinion.
Here is our issue with building our team through the draft. Some teams are able to build a championship caliber team over several years if they are fortunate enough to draft some key franchise players. The Jazz have not been that team. We have drafted some good players but not the kind of talent that it takes to win championships with. Therefore if we want to win a championship, we need to step outside of our comfort zone and go into a "win now" mentality. Looking to trade or acquire some bigger names that can help us achieve the ultimate goal.

***We have no superstars***
Name the last team to win an NBA championship without a superstar/aging hall of fame player


I'll wait....

still waiting......

The Spurs?? Just last year you say???
Here is a few players that you may recognize from their roster.
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Kawhi Leonard

Yea...... try again.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
The ownership and general management will not do anything in terms of taking the necessary risks to be a championship caliber team unless the fans speak up. They will continue to be a mediocre team until enough fans voice their opinion.
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Building an NBA team is not easy, and Utah is doing a fantastic job. It's not just Jazz fans who believe so, as fans from all over the league on Realgm voted Utah's rebuild as the best in the league currently. Please stop with the bullsmurf already. Malcontents are really reaching at this point, so maybe just get the smurf out of town.
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Building through the draft will always be the most important part of team building in Utah, but this year they may be in a position where they could trade the pick for immediate help. First priority should be to trade up, but that's always difficult and may end up costing us too much. After that it's a toss up between BPA and trading for immediate help. I think I'd prefer a trade, but once again, it may be hard to find the right deal, so good chance we end up with BPA. Utah will NOT trade out for a future pick, and you can smurf that to the bank.
 
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Cappy_Smurf said:
Building an NBA team is not easy, and Utah is doing a fantastic job. It's not just Jazz fans who believe so, as fans from all over the league on Realgm voted Utah's rebuild as the best in the league currently. Please stop with the bullsmurf already. Malcontents are really reaching at this point, so maybe just get the smurf out of town.
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Building through the draft will always be the most important part of team building in Utah, but this year they may be in a position where they could trade the pick for immediate help. First priority should be to trade up, but that's always difficult and may end up costing us too much. After that it's a toss up between BPA and trading for immediate help. I think I'd prefer a trade, but once again, it may be hard to find the right deal, so good chance we end up with BPA. Utah will NOT trade out for a future pick, and you can smurf that to the bank.
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Ok, I will stop with the bullsmurf. What in the hell is bullsmurf so I can stop it??
So you are telling me that the Jazz have the best rebuild in the NBA? My analysis is absolute garbage because a couple of websites say we have the best rebuild?? (Remember I am talking in terms of winning a championship). So based on my bs analogy you are or aren't saying that the Jazz will win a championship in the next 5 years?? From what I am reading I would say that you are saying they will win a championship in the next 5 years.

Answer this,

Do you think the Jazz will win a championship in the next 5 years??

(this is a simple yes or no question)
 
LogGrad98 said:
Pistons.
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Detroit Pistons of 2004 had
28 year old Chauncey Billups (superstar and future hall of famer)
26 year old Rip Hamilton (superstar)
24 year old Tayshaun Prince (star)
30 year old Ben Wallace (star, future hall of famer) (coming off his 2nd defense player of the year award)
30 year old Rasheed Wallace (star)

just two years later they would be one of only 4 teams in history to have 4 players selected to the all star game.

Out of all teams, you happened to name one of the most stacked teams in NBA history of the last 25 years??
Was it due to confusion or intellect?? Either way,, why??
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Ok, I will stop with the bullsmurf. What in the hell is bullsmurf so I can stop it??
So you are telling me that the Jazz have the best rebuild in the NBA? My analysis is absolute garbage because a couple of websites say we have the best rebuild?? (Remember I am talking in terms of winning a championship). So based on my bs analogy you are or aren't saying that the Jazz will win a championship in the next 5 years?? From what I am reading I would say that you are saying they will win a championship in the next 5 years.

Answer this,

Do you think the Jazz will win a championship in the next 5 years??

(this is a simple yes or no question)
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Winning a championship is tough. It takes a lot of luck on top of good decision making. You made some claim about the organization not trying to win a championship unless the fans speak up, which is silly. Utah is going to build the best team they possibly can, and they'll do it because the farther they go in the playoffs, the more money they make. The more fans they put in the seats, more money. They aren't just happy to be mediocre until we all let them know that a championship would be better. If that was true, we'd probably still have a team built around Jefferson. TBH, you are hard to take seriously with such claims. It's bullsmurf.
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It kinda sounds like you want to gamble everything on winning THIS year, instead of winning in the next 5 years. Utah is already on track to go deep in the playoffs in the next 5, and although they might find a blockbuster to gamble on this offseason, I would prefer they don't take any stupid gambles that are just as likely to backfire. Keep building and be ready for the right opportunity, but don't get so desperate to win now that you screw up the rebuild.
 
I agree with the premise that we are at a crossroad in which we should be focused on either the present or the future. On one hand, we have several players ready to contribute now, & on the other hand, we have several future assets (Exum/draft picks) who aren't quite ready to contribute at the level of the rest of the team. I can see the arguments for both sides.

Present:
-Our post ASG record shows that we are ready to compete
-Hayward can opt out in 2 years & is no guarantee to return (especially not at a reasonable price)
-We have the assets necessary in order to acquire players capable of helping us win now

Future:
-Our entire roster is still developing & several years away from reaching it's peak
-Exum is a few years away from developing into a starting caliber PG on a championship contending team
-We are a small market franchise & will have a harder time than most when it comes to filling any major holes via FA (which is why we shouldn't rush the process & create holes that would need to be filled)

I have no doubt that with the right moves over the off-season, this team could legitimately compete as soon as next year. But as a small market team, there is no guarantee that we would be able to sustain that success. This rebuild is finally starting to come to fruition, no reason to veer off of the path now. Continue acquiring & developing as many impact prospects thru the draft, re-sign the ones that fit what we're trying to do, & use any remaining assets to compile the best starting 5 possible, while using FA to put a solid 2nd unit behind them. I can understand people wanting to speed things up after seeing how well this team performed to finish out the year, but doing so would be shortsighted. We have the chance to be competitive for the next 5-10 years, no reason to jeopardize that in order to win a few more games over the next year or two.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
There is no doubt about our play towards the last few months of the season. We played great, there is no way that anyone can take that away from the Jazz. However there is one thing that is given at the end of the season to only one team, the team that was the best above and beyond all the other teams in the NBA. This one thing is called an NBA championship. (Maybe you have heard of it) For some reason the talk of a title has become somewhat of fairy tale for most fans of the Utah Jazz. However with the ultimate goal being able to be a title contender. There are two mentalities that that Jazz could have.
#1. Win now and make a trade or trade's for some big name player/players that could help bring us to the promise land.
#2. Is to build the talent based on the draft and continue adding talent to a selected core hoping to build them to be a championship caliber team.
The ownership and general management will not do anything in terms of taking the necessary risks to be a championship caliber team unless the fans speak up. They will continue to be a mediocre team until enough fans voice their opinion.
Here is our issue with building our team through the draft. Some teams are able to build a championship caliber team over several years if they are fortunate enough to draft some key franchise players. The Jazz have not been that team. We have drafted some good players but not the kind of talent that it takes to win championships with. Therefore if we want to win a championship, we need to step outside of our comfort zone and go into a "win now" mentality. Looking to trade or acquire some bigger names that can help us achieve the ultimate goal.

***We have no superstars***
Name the last team to win an NBA championship without a superstar/aging hall of fame player


I'll wait....

still waiting......

The Spurs?? Just last year you say???
Here is a few players that you may recognize from their roster.
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Kawhi Leonard

Yea...... try again.
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Do u realize that since 1998 this will be the first year that one of these three... Duncan Kobe and Wade will not be in the finals, and u talk as if it's so easy to get there. We were one of the youngest teams in the league. We are still developing. As good as hayward and favors and Gobert and so on. They will be that much better this coming year, and over the next few years will be completely different players, plus we have two rookies that will be starting to realize there potential soon after. This is a stacked team. U need to be patient. DL and QS know what they are doing.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Detroit Pistons of 2004 had
28 year old Chauncey Billups (superstar and future hall of famer)
26 year old Rip Hamilton (superstar)
24 year old Tayshaun Prince (star)
30 year old Ben Wallace (star, future hall of famer) (coming off his 2nd defense player of the year award)
30 year old Rasheed Wallace (star)

just two years later they would be one of only 4 teams in history to have 4 players selected to the all star game.

Out of all teams, you happened to name one of the most stacked teams in NBA history of the last 25 years??
Was it due to confusion or intellect?? Either way,, why??
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You are over-rating each and every one of those, but whatever it takes to make your point I guess.
 
We don't need a high usage superstar. If our second half defense was for real we just need another year of development and some depth. If we were to add am all star talent that would be great, but we don't need a traditional superstar who comes in and scores a ton of points.

The spurs last year are a great example... How many pts per game did their leading scorer get per game?

The pistons teams had all star level players but no superstars. Basically if we could add a Billups level point guard those teams would be very comparable.
 
Rip Hamilton a superstar lolololololol
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Detroit Pistons of 2004 had
28 year old Chauncey Billups (superstar and future hall of famer)
26 year old Rip Hamilton (superstar)
24 year old Tayshaun Prince (star)
30 year old Ben Wallace (star, future hall of famer) (coming off his 2nd defense player of the year award)
30 year old Rasheed Wallace (star)
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Lol at this. The Pistons was a great team, an entity. The sum of their parts was better than the individual talent, similar to what's going on with the Hawks. Their team had fringe-all stars, solid starters. Billups, Rip superstars? That's a reach.

Does it help to have a superstar on your team to win a championship? Sure, it helps (not guaranteed though....see Knicks).

Perhaps we have one superstar already....Rudy! ;)
 
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If the second half of this year with such a young team is not a fluke, the Utah Jazz have a chance to be a historically great defensive team, not best in the NBA but best all time. With that type of trajectory it is really difficult to compare the Jazz with teams in the last 10 years or so. Also, our oldest key player is as old as Detroit's youngest when they won the championship. It is the exact wrong time to blow the thing up looking for "superstars."
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Detroit Pistons of 2004 had
28 year old Chauncey Billups (superstar and future hall of famer)
26 year old Rip Hamilton (superstar)
24 year old Tayshaun Prince (star)
30 year old Ben Wallace (star, future hall of famer) (coming off his 2nd defense player of the year award)
30 year old Rasheed Wallace (star)

just two years later they would be one of only 4 teams in history to have 4 players selected to the all star game.

Out of all teams, you happened to name one of the most stacked teams in NBA history of the last 25 years??
Was it due to confusion or intellect?? Either way,, why??
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None of those guys were even close to conversation as best player at their respective position. Most of those guys were considered less than a lot of current Jazz players are right now before that team became what they were. The Jazz could very well have players right now that become better than every one of those guys. And as you show in here everyone of those guys were in their prime for those runs and non of the key Jazz players are.
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Also as others have said you are seriously overrating every one of those guys.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Detroit Pistons of 2004 had
28 year old Chauncey Billups (superstar and future hall of famer)
26 year old Rip Hamilton (superstar)
24 year old Tayshaun Prince (star)
30 year old Ben Wallace (star, future hall of famer) (coming off his 2nd defense player of the year award)
30 year old Rasheed Wallace (star)

just two years later they would be one of only 4 teams in history to have 4 players selected to the all star game.

Out of all teams, you happened to name one of the most stacked teams in NBA history of the last 25 years??
Was it due to confusion or intellect?? Either way,, why??
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Imagine that. A group of players wins a championship and they start to get recognition as a result. Whoda thunk it. What makes you think this same sort of recognition wouldn't happen if the Jazz won a championship? And then you could say, "See, we only won a championship because we had players who would eventually earn recognition."
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Detroit Pistons of 2004 had
28 year old Chauncey Billups (superstar and future hall of famer)
26 year old Rip Hamilton (superstar)
24 year old Tayshaun Prince (star)
30 year old Ben Wallace (star, future hall of famer) (coming off his 2nd defense player of the year award)
30 year old Rasheed Wallace (star)

just two years later they would be one of only 4 teams in history to have 4 players selected to the all star game.

Out of all teams, you happened to name one of the most stacked teams in NBA history of the last 25 years??
Was it due to confusion or intellect?? Either way,, why??
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With Chauncey Billips as a superstar (second team All NBA once, Third Team All NBA twice), how many superstars are in the NBA today? Just in PGs, I'd place Curry, Paul, Westbrook, Rose, Parker, Wall, Lillard, Lowry, Irving, Teague, and Bledsoe in Billip's league or above. Are there 11+ superstar PGs in the league right now? The bottom of that PG list is pretty close to "average starting PG".

Rip Hamilton as a superstar is even silier, almost not worth debating, shooting fish in a barrel. Scored 20 ppg twice in his career. Never made an all-NBA team. This is boring. Not just a star, a SUPERSTAR?

Please give me a list of players you consider superstars today. If there are more than 10, we have a problem with defining the word "super" Then I'll show you#11 who is better than these guys.



(By the way, I LOVE Rip and Chauncey and this team, but superstars are LeBron, Kobe, Magic, Curry, Hakeem)
 
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