What would Houston Give up for Al? And what would we want?

[blackham9258]

I would love to get rid of Al in favor of some youth and picks. I think Houston got some great value for their picks. I would swap Al for T Jones or R White and a protected pick. Would they? Would we? Who should we target in a trade with them?

Personally I think Houston should look at this because they have a very good defensive center now to pair with Al. I also don't think that Houston really wants to go out their with 3 rookies and 2 sophomores.

Thoughts.

 

[bat]

For any of their first rounders this year or last.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I don't think Al is getting traded unless/until we have Millsap signed, sealed and delivered. The strength of the Jazz is their incredibly deep 4/5 rotation. If Millsap leaves (or gets traded) and you get rid of Jefferson, all of a sudden we only have Favors, a raw Kanter (and Evans).

That we haven't heard even a rumor of an extension is unsettling. Probably means the team and Paul's uncle are far apart on value. I think it far likelier Millsap gets "Deron'ed." Better to trade him now and get value than to have him leave as a FA. And some team WILL be idiotic enough to pay him $12-13M/per, just like the Nets did with Humphries. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the deal that has killed our chance to re-sign Paul. Certainly if a team is paying Kris $12M, Paul will want $14M by comparison.

In any case, nothing is getting done until the Howard saga ends (and I'm not talking about Josh). Houston even asked Hakeem to speak with Dwight. Once Howard goes to the Lakers, the rest of the teams can give up on their silly dreams and tweak their rosters accordingly.

 

[blackham9258]

I think Paul is someone to really watch carefully. I could totally see him asking for $12M per and hoping to get $10M per on a 4 year deal, but frankly I don't think he gets more than $7.5M on the open market next summer. If he won't sign for that now... just wait it out until next summer. One of he or Jefferson will resign for less money than they thought they would get.

In this market there are only a few Brooklyn Net type overpayers. The rest are paying fair value. When guys like Chris Kaman who in normal years would be getting 4/$50M are now getting 1/$8M you know that the new cba is working... despite the stupid deals that NJ just gave out to Wallace/Humphries/Lopez etc.

Paul should be looking at a 3/$22M deal and count himself lucky.

 

[gregbroncs]

I don't think Al is getting traded unless/until we have Millsap signed, sealed and delivered. The strength of the Jazz is their incredibly deep 4/5 rotation. If Millsap leaves (or gets traded) and you get rid of Jefferson, all of a sudden we only have Favors, a raw Kanter (and Evans).

That we haven't heard even a rumor of an extension is unsettling. Probably means the team and Paul's uncle are far apart on value. I think it far likelier Millsap gets "Deron'ed." Better to trade him now and get value than to have him leave as a FA. And some team WILL be idiotic enough to pay him $12-13M/per, just like the Nets did with Humphries. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the deal that has killed our chance to re-sign Paul. Certainly if a team is paying Kris $12M, Paul will want $14M by comparison.

Because of these factors I believe there are going to be some very upset Jazz fans on this site when Al gets re-signed and Millsap is shipped out. I'd rather keep Millsap but if we don't soon see movement on extension talks I find it much more likely that AL would sign here for a reasonable contract than Millsap. We shall see I guess.,

 

[sepanol]

I prefer giving millsap 10 million per year than 15 per year for Jefferson

 

[blackham9258]

There is no way Al Jefferson will get $15M per year in his next deal. He might get $10M per, but for at most 2-3 years which is reasonable. Personally I would rather have Big Al if it came down to Paul and Al because I think Al can score in the post whereas Millsap just can't if you look at how he does on post ups. That said, my preference all along was to trade Millsap at the draft to pick up Lillard or Barnes but once that ship sailed it is time to resign one of them.

The perfect timing to trade one of them would be on the day of the extension of the other. Once we resign one and don't extend the other... the offers for the non extended player will go down. So the key is to negotiate the deal with the player while getting the best offers for the player to be traded.. .and then coordinate the dual event.

But I just don't see an open market paying Al Jefferserson anything more than $10M per, and for Millsap I would be shocked if he got more than $8M.

 

[NAOS]

Anybody need more evidence that Blackham is a total idiot?

 

[freakazoid]

I think Paul is someone to really watch carefully. I could totally see him asking for $12M per and hoping to get $10M per on a 4 year deal, but frankly I don't think he gets more than $7.5M on the open market next summer. .

Numberica's spidey sense must going berzerk right now.

 

[NAOS]

Paul is worth every cent of $10 mil/year in today's NBA. Probably more.

Also, he is our best player even though he2short4ballz haha ok bye

 

[UGLI baby]

Feel like I'm in the twilight zone. Maybe this isn't your thing, blackham.

 

[zbone]

I predict Millsap to start regressing within 2 years after his next big contract signed. He is already above his ceiling, he can't keep up at this level for more than 2 months and the only way for him is down. I love him just like the next guy on this board but let's face it.

 

[UGLI baby]

He is already above his ceiling

Best thing I've read in awhile.

 

[NAOS]

I predict Millsap to start regressing within 2 years after his next big contract signed. He is already above his ceiling, he can't keep up at this level for more than 2 months and the only way for him is down. I love him just like the next guy on this board but let's face it.

Kool story.

I meanz, yeah, all evidence points to the fact the end is near. You know bout evidence?

 

[orangello]

I love Millsap. I think he is an amazing player and someone that has always found a way to produce. With that being said, in two years do you want to be paying your back up PF $10 million or more a year? The answer is no.

 

[NAOS]

I love Millsap. I think he is an amazing player and someone that has always found a way to produce. With that being said, in two years do you want to be paying your back up PF $10 million or more a year? The answer is no.

For your sake, I hope everything you just assumed will happen actually happens.

Why not keep your best player and pay him what he's worth? Hell, at 10 he's a steal, and will still be in 2 years.

 

[orangello]

For your sake, I hope everything you just assumed will happen actually happens.

Why not keep your best player and pay him what he's worth? Hell, at 10 he's a steal, and will still be in 2 years.

I want to keep Millsap. If he is given an extension I hope it is front loaded so that when it comes time to re up with the core four, Millsap will be closer to $7 or $8 million a year.

 

[illyasova]

I would love to get rid of Al in favor of some youth and picks. I think Houston got some great value for their picks. I would swap Al for T Jones or R White and a protected pick. Would they? Would we? Who should we target in a trade with them?

Personally I think Houston should look at this because they have a very good defensive center now to pair with Al. I also don't think that Houston really wants to go out their with 3 rookies and 2 sophomores.

Thoughts.

That is exactly good idea for the jazz but not the same for the rockets. They will not go ahead with 3 rooks and 2 sophomores but they brought them to get either Howard or Bynum (as being facilitator). So we gotta wait if it happens for them or not. If not, the small possibility is trade in february. Still, i do not think Corbin and Koc thinks that Kanter is ready to get significant minutes behind both Favors and Millsap. Also, as it's mentioned before, they gotta hear the price of Paul from him for the extension then. As we know the organization, there will not be any move of Al, unless we deal Millsap.

 

[Stifle Tower]

There is no way Al Jefferson will get $15M per year in his next deal. He might get $10M per, but for at most 2-3 years which is reasonable. Personally I would rather have Big Al if it came down to Paul and Al because I think Al can score in the post whereas Millsap just can't if you look at how he does on post ups. That said, my preference all along was to trade Millsap at the draft to pick up Lillard or Barnes but once that ship sailed it is time to resign one of them.

The perfect timing to trade one of them would be on the day of the extension of the other. Once we resign one and don't extend the other... the offers for the non extended player will go down. So the key is to negotiate the deal with the player while getting the best offers for the player to be traded.. .and then coordinate the dual event.

But I just don't see an open market paying Al Jefferserson anything more than $10M per, and for Millsap I would be shocked if he got more than $8M.

I agree with you re: keeping Big Al. Kanter can't be relied upon to play 30 mins. If he can't even dominate SL players, imagine how he'll do against most of the starting 5's. Maybe at the end of 2 or 3 seasons, Enes becomes a quality starter. However, I think you underestimate what Jefferson will get. Omer Asik got $8M as a backup. McGee got 4/$44M. Humphries as a PF got 2/$24M. Hibbert signed a MAX deal. Jefferson is almost a 20/10 guy. He's going to be expensive. Maybe he gives Utah a bit of a hometown discount. But we're not going to get him at $10M; that's just a dream. And the same with Millsap. Millsap >>> Humphries. I wouldn't be surprised if Millsap is asking for at least 5/$60M (and probably more).

PF's are easier to replace, so I say ditch Millsap if the Jazz can get a lottery pick. He can be replaced by a top-10 pick. Jefferson you offer to teams at the deadline...if Enes has improved enough. I'd be perfectly ok with the Jazz having Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks, and Evans as their only contracts heading into the draft. We already know they'll work with Mo on a new contract. And Marvin probably opts in. Jazz would have enough space and assets to sign or draft 2-3 more quality players: a PG, a backup PF and a backup center (and, if Marvin decides not to return, then that frees up $8M for another wing).

 

[zbone]

PF's are easier to replace, so I say ditch Millsap if the Jazz can get a lottery pick. He can be replaced by a top-10 pick. Jefferson you offer to teams at the deadline...if Enes has improved enough. I'd be perfectly ok with the Jazz having Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks, and Evans as their only contracts heading into the draft. We already know they'll work with Mo on a new contract. And Marvin probably opts in. Jazz would have enough space and assets to sign or draft 2-3 more quality players: a PG, a backup PF and a backup center (and, if Marvin decides not to return, then that frees up $8M for another wing).

That sounds like perpetual rebuild.