Who else is depressed that Marvin Williams is the best player on the Jazz?

[Doublea]

I don't take anybody creditable when they use so much freaking hindsight bias in a post. All of those players could have been worse then the ones we selected, or busts. You should also note that even if we would have drafted those players they would have sat on our bench, getting hardly any playing time like our guys right now. It matters what system they were introduced in.

 

[LogGrad98]

So, all these players you are proposing the Jazz should have drafted were thought of as clearly better by people in the biz? The Jazz went against a common consensus in selecting them?

Armchair quarterback and after-the-battle-general are both annoying, but boy, are they fun when you put them together.

Everyone besides Leonard was literally picked right after the Jazz selected.

Many people thought George, Paul and Splitter should have been picked. I was pissed when the Jazz passed on Splitter.

This is not armchair quarterback. This is the Jazz selecting between 2-3 players and choosing wrong.

The only player in the list that was a real surprise at his draft position was Hayward, who has turned out to currently be our best player. All of the others were drafted within 1-3 spots of where they should have been realistically. I do not think any rational person would think that any of these was a bald-faced failure on the part of the Jazz. In the entire history of the NBA there were maybe a dozen no-brainer picks, and maybe a dozen more that were considered steals. Of those few dozen no-miss players, maybe a handful of them were drafted exactly where they should have been, which in all cases would be #1. Even Michael Jordan was passed on by 2 other teams but only one of those other players could be considered to be a failed pick, considering that Hakeem turned out to be one of the best to ever play the game at his position. All of this is based on hindsight, which is cute and all but hardly a valid slam on the Jazz as a poor-drafting organization. As has been stated, the draft is a crap-shoot, outside of a couple dozen no-miss players in the history of the game (a few thousand picks). And as has already been said again, this same list could be compiled for every single team in the league over almost any time-frame or era you choose to look at.

Also keep in mind, as with the D Will pick, neither D Will nor CP3 are with the team that drafted them. So that makes the argument of who was the better pick at that point moot entirely. It is pure speculation whether CP3 would have stayed with the Jazz and arguable in the extreme that simply CP3 over D Will would have made any difference at all in our success over that time frame.

 

[LogGrad98]

Me.

But I ain't blamin' no youngsters.

I blame Ty. He doesn't pump fire in them.

He doesn't let the rage of teenage own the stage to let'em out of that cage.

He acts like... u know what, don't wanna get censored again.

If they were fighting instead of just playing along, the Jazz would have at least 3 or 4 more wins.

At least.

Fire comes 100% from within. The only players that play with true fire grit and passion would do so no matter who is coaching them, no matter how hard they are or aren't pushed, and no matter what else is happening on the floor. The only one I see much of that in so far is Hayward who seems to get pissed when he and the team are not doing well. I want to see all of them get pissed in those circumstances, but they don't, and frankly there is not much a coach can do to start that fire. Although there is plenty a coach can do to focus it once the fire is there (see: Pop).

 

[Beantown]

I agree with what everyone is saying in terms of drafting is a crapshoot. My original point was that at some point we have to put some blame on Jazz management for the draft selections instead of piling everything on the coaches.

To put it simply these young players probably weren't as good as we thought they were.

 

[Ellipse]

I agree with what everyone is saying in terms of drafting is a crapshoot. My original point was that at some point we have to put some blame on Jazz management for the draft selections instead of piling everything on the coaches.

To put it simply these young players probably weren't as good as we thought they were.

But you still miss the point: We should have found this out last year before we blew up the team. We had a pretty good idea about Hayward since he was getting minutes, but they were, and still are, huge question marks about the future value of Favors, Kanter, and Burks.

 

[Doublea]

I agree with what everyone is saying in terms of drafting is a crapshoot. My original point was that at some point we have to put some blame on Jazz management for the draft selections instead of piling everything on the coaches.

To put it simply these young players probably weren't as good as we thought they were.

The only thing you could put on the management is that they didn't give our players to know if they were good or not, not that they draft bad.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Don't hate on Mahv! Leave Marvin ALONE!

 

[DForceAUS]

He's in contract year isn't he - he's auditioning for a job. If Marv keeps this up gives us some bench, but looking over his career its been ups and downs (never quiet meeting expections for where he was drafted)- lets see how he goes rest of season.

 

[Beantown]

Show me who the Jazz drafted, what number they drafted him at and what number the player you feel they should have taken was drafted at.

Take as long as you need.

*crickets*

 

[8]

I think players underwhelming or exceeding expectations as compared to their respective draft positions says more about the player than the people picking them

 

[Jeffrey32]

Don't forget Raul Lopez and Tony Parker or Reggie Lewis over Ortiz