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Why does Karl get all the blame?

MrBlue

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I posted a blog post at https://worriedsports.blogspot.com about why Karl Malone gets all the blame for choking away the Jazz's two finals appearances. Spurned on by Dirk and LeBron talk these past few weeks.

Also brought on after reading Hollingers list of the greatest playoff series of all-time: https://sports.espn.go.com/nba/play...umnist=hollinger_john&page=greatestseries-1-5 Jazz are #'s 2 and 5.

Karl Malone's Finals stats
24.4 ppg 10.4 rpg 3.6 apg 47%FG 67%FT

John Stockton's Finals stats
12.3 ppg 3.3 rpg 8.8 apg 49.5%FG 81% FT
 
I posted a blog post at https://worriedsports.blogspot.com about why Karl Malone gets all the blame for choking away the Jazz's two finals appearances. Spurned on by Dirk and LeBron talk these past few weeks.

Also brought on after reading Hollingers list of the greatest playoff series of all-time: https://sports.espn.go.com/nba/play...umnist=hollinger_john&page=greatestseries-1-5 Jazz are #'s 2 and 5.

Karl Malone's Finals stats
24.4 ppg 10.4 rpg 3.6 apg 47%FG 67%FT

John Stockton's Finals stats
12.3 ppg 3.3 rpg 8.8 apg 49.5%FG 81% FT

We got tired of blaming the refs and Jordan I guess. He missed some big free throws and let Jordan steal the ball after a rebound for an easy basket as I remember.
 
We got tired of blaming the refs and Jordan I guess.

It sucks, but MJ was better at cheating than Utah was. If he hadn't made those two illegal plays Utah would very likely have overwhelmed that Bulls team.

Utah was very, very good at cheating at the time.
 
Where were the big shots down the stretch in those games?

I can think of a few he hit in Game 5 in Chicago the last finals series, but that's about it.
He had a monster half in game 6, only to choke at the end.
 
Because blaming Stockton would be consider blasphemy. I never understood all the Karl hate because Karl carried the team for the most part. If Dick Bavetta knew how to tell time then Jazz fans would have been rejoicing instead of talking about what ifs.

As much as Karl "choking", there were several games that Stockton was shut down by Scottie Pippen but people tend to forget that because of the "steal".
 
Where were the big shots down the stretch in those games?

I can think of a few he hit in Game 5 in Chicago the last finals series, but that's about it.
He had a monster half in game 6, only to choke at the end.

I laugh when they say Karl choked in the end of Game 6. He choked because he looked to his left for Horny to cut back towards him? Karl did not choke in Game 6. Michael just made a great play. I won't argue that Malone choked at the line in Game 1 of the '97 series, but to say he choked in Game 6 of '98 is just wrong.
 
If Dick Bavetta knew how to tell time then Jazz fans would have been rejoicing instead of talking about what ifs.

...exactly! That was a 6 point swing...the 3 we should have gotten....and the 3 points the Bull's DID get! No question, if we could have forced a game 7 we would have won that series. Pippen was hurt, Jordan was worn out....and we had all the momentum!
 
The Jazz lost two hard-fought finals series against a team who won 6 NBA titles. Not only that, in the 2nd series Bavetta did cost Utah the chance at a game 7 home game. Hate to play the ref card, but I think that one is fairly obvious.

I don't think the Jazz or any of their players "choked" away either of those series. They were playing quite possibly the best dynasty in NBA history. Yes, Karl's Free Throws lost us game 1 of the first series and having a finals average of 67% on FT's is somewhat damning, but I really don't see him as the scapegoat for either of those losses. In fact, I remember the game in Chicago where Malone personally carried that series back to Utah.

Utah just faced a better team.
 
Why Karl gets the blame is obvious. He was a 2 time MVP. He was the one who was always talking. He was the public face of the franchise. He wanted attention and loved the spotlight. You can't have it both ways. That is not right or wrong but it was who Karl was. Stock played the public persona part just the opposite.
 
A team with Greg Ostertag, Adam Keefe, and Greg Foster making the playoffs is a miracle.

Even the "Big 3" have a few decent players to go along with their superstars. Udonis, Anthony, Miller, and Chalmers could have played big minutes for the Jazz.

Dallas has a ton of talent too. Tyson Chandler is a top 5 center in this league.

The problem with the Jazz was never their 2 best players... It was what they had surrounding them...
 
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I don't solely blame Karl, but it is disappointing that he took so many jumpers and disappeared in two of the most pivotal games of the Finals.
-Game 5 of '97 with the series tied 2-2, Karl shot just 1-6 in the 2nd-half (1 layup, 5 jumpshots).
-Game 2 '98, Karl shot 5-16 overall and was 0-4 (all jumpshots) in the 2nd half. With Utah down 2 with 30 seconds left, he had Toni Kukoc on him but instead of posting up, he took (and missed) an 18-footer.

The lingering memory from '97 was Bill Walton constant bemoaning every time Karl would take a fadeaway "Just take this to the hoop and get a foul here...get to the basket here...no fadeaways please...MVP time, where is Karl Malone?"

Karl did have his moments in the clutch, so I think Bob Costas said it best when he said something to the effect of Sometimes Karl came through, sometimes he didn't - but nobody came through as often or as consistently as Michael Jordan."

IMO - the Jazz played better basketball than the Bulls in '97 even though Chicago was the better team, and poorer basketball than Chicago in '98 even though I thought Utah had the better team. Heck, they lost Games 1, 5, & 6 even though they led for 129/144 total minutes. Chicago just finished games better.

As for Karl's supporting cast, in '97 they (particularly Russell, Ostertag, Foster and Morris) provided more help from the 3pt line which kept Chicago's defense more honest. In '98, they used their length to force Stock baseline in the pick-and-roll and then played a zone (aka illegal defense) on the weakside and Utah couldn't make them pay from deep.

And speaking of officiating, the Jazz could've easily won Game 6 of the '97 Finals if an obvious goaltend/basket interference was called on Scottie Pippen with less than 30 seconds remaining.

It's painful to think about how close Utah was to beating Chicago both years - but sometimes you just have to live with the fact that your best just isn't as good as the other guy's best.
 
Am I the only one whose heart still races watching any of those Finals games? Man I miss the days when the Jazz were true contenders.
I'm with you. Last week I rewatched Game 2 of '98 Finals (can watch on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUqcX1JM65c&feature=related) and I was slamming my fist down over the officiating and offensive rebounds. Despite ultimately losing, many great Jazz memories in those games, and NBC's intro's and broadcasts were epic.
 
I cannot watch any of those games. Too painful. I find my sell watching 97 against Houston when Stockton hits the winner. It gives me some solace that the Jazz got to the finals but losing in the finals really sucks.
 
I cannot watch any of those games. Too painful. I find my sell watching 97 against Houston when Stockton hits the winner. It gives me some solace that the Jazz got to the finals but losing in the finals really sucks.

It's tough to watch those playoff games, always have a what if feeling.

About Karl - there wouldn't have even been a game 6 if he didn't carry the jazz in game 5:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAIeuAx19lg

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199806120CHI.html
17/27 63% FG, 39 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, just 1 turnover


If the Mailman had somehow carried the jazz to a ring over MJ he'd be considered for GOAT status. Instead he's labelled as a choker.
 
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