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Zach Lowe: Shane Battier Type wings are rare

Qman

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Hmm a different way to look at high level role players. You need a star but seems like very good high level role players.

https://www.grantland.com/story/_/i...tier-harder-find-conventional-wisdom-suggests

Wesley Matthews
One of the most perfectly paid players in the NBA. Matthews is a consistent 38 to 40 percent 3-point shooter, and he can make contested looks in high-pressure spots. He historically hasn't been quite as efficient when asked to create on his own, and the gap in salary between Matthews (about $7 million per season) and Nicolas Batum (about $11 million) is illustrative. The Blazers see Batum as a guy who can defend, hit 3s, and create offense for others, and though injuries cut Batum's scoring output over the last couple months of the season, he made huge strides as a secondary distributor and pick-and-roll passer. Matthews doesn't quite have that in his game, and his salary is nearing the upper edge of how the NBA likely values New Age Battiers — especially since he's not as long as someone like Leonard.

But Matthews is tough and strong, and he and Batum often swap wing assignments, with Matthews defending bulkier small forwards who carry post-up games. That's valuable.

• Gordon Hayward: Ditto, though has a longer way to go on defense than Parsons; the help-and-recover complexities don't come quite as naturally to him as they do for Parsons, and playing in Utah hasn't helped. The Jazz have hopes that Hayward can become something close to a primary ball hander, and he did show flashes of an improved pick-and-roll game late in the season.

• Marvin Williams: Williams felt a bit lost in a crowded Utah wing rotation. He shot about as often as he did during his rookie season, and his 3-point percentage fell to a "blah" 32.5 percent. He faces quickness issues defending some 2-guards, but if Williams can find his long-range stroke again, he's an interesting piece on a good team — and a very well-paid one, having earned $8.29 million in 2012-13 and holding a $7.5 million option for next season.
 
For how much talent we have, for the pieces we had, for the upper level role players we have, it is amazing how bad we SUCKED this year.
 
For how much talent we have, for the pieces we had, for the upper level role players we have, it is amazing how bad we SUCKED this year.

We don't have any according to Zach Lowe. Hayward is about to become one according to Lowe.
 
I read it to say that Marvin IS that type of player, but was misused.

I also read this:

"playing in Utah hasn't helped"

in regards to Hayward. In other words, had Hayward played under a better coach, he would know the complexities of this type of defense and would BE that type of player.

Also, how many coaches would play Tinsley and Watson over Burks?

How many coaches would see Kanter put up a 20/20, then cut his minutes?

How many coaches would watch Favors put up 20+ pts and 15+ rebs in 3 qtrs and then bench him for the 4th?

Especially when their replacements are Al and Millsap?

We have the talent. We don't use/develop that talent.
 
I read it to say that Marvin IS that type of player, but was misused.

I also read this:

"playing in Utah hasn't helped"

in regards to Hayward. In other words, had Hayward played under a better coach, he would know the complexities of this type of defense and would BE that type of player.

Also, how many coaches would play Tinsley and Watson over Burks?

How many coaches would see Kanter put up a 20/20, then cut his minutes?

How many coaches would watch Favors put up 20+ pts and 15+ rebs in 3 qtrs and then bench him for the 4th?

Especially when their replacements are Al and Millsap?

We have the talent. We don't use/develop that talent.

Tired yet, braugh?
 
Damn, I see a lot of players that we've had, or should have had, or should have made better use of. We all know the FO has bungled perimeter D and, until this season, undervalued the three-point shot. This article sorta proves that.
 
I've always seen Hayward as that type of complementary player. The issue is that the Jazz's system is so bungled right now, there's hardly much for him to complement.
 
"Williams felt a bit lost in a crowded Utah wing rotation" He was given every opportunity to succeed this year.
He went out into the woods without a GPS, and got lost. Boo hoo.
 
Either I'm very ahead of the curve with this (and many things that are trending in the league) or Lowe and others are reporting not news.

You need players like this to win (this isn't new) and you can't have too many of them.
 
It's so fun to read articles written by guys who have seen maybe 1-2 games of highlights from this jazz team and have briefly scanned through our roster. The insights they have over us fans who have actually watched this team is just amazing.......
 
It's so fun to read articles written by guys who have seen maybe 1-2 games of highlights from this jazz team and have briefly scanned through our roster. The insights they have over us fans who have actually watched this team is just amazing.......

Yet they still prove to know more than you on a regular basis.
 
It's so fun to read articles written by guys who have seen maybe 1-2 games of highlights from this jazz team and have briefly scanned through our roster. The insights they have over us fans who have actually watched this team is just amazing.......

Dude, Lowe watches and knows a lot about Utah Jazz basketball. He is a fan of the team. He is one of the only major writers who actually writes articles specifically about Utah.
 
It's so fun to read articles written by guys who have seen maybe 1-2 games of highlights from this jazz team and have briefly scanned through our roster. The insights they have over us fans who have actually watched this team is just amazing.......

Remember when you adamantly declared Hayward a bust?
 
It's so fun to read articles written by guys who have seen maybe 1-2 games of highlights from this jazz team and have briefly scanned through our roster. The insights they have over us fans who have actually watched this team is just amazing.......


Oh, and, hahahahaha
 
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