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Egypt: America fighting wrong time wrong country for freedom

now that a middle eastern country wants freedom. where is america. ooh wait thye're busy FORCING "freedom" on iraq and afghanistan.
 
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Isn't Egypt one of best allies down there? A radical change in their government might make it anti-American and I don't think America really wants that. Their president has and will never step down and that's ok to America if he is our friend i guess.
 
Isn't Egypt one of best allies down there? A radical change in their government might make it anti-American and I don't think America really wants that. Their president has and will never step down and that's ok to America if he is our friend i guess.

which is pretty ironic.

gives the war in iraq a different twist
bringing freedom to people who do not request it. but bring it anyway because iraq is no friend of us.

but the people who risk their life and fight for freedom, get no help. because the government is a friend.

hmmm pretty hypocritical. thats why i dont believe in governments i guess.

lies. secrets, double agenda, and so fort
 
Dutch, be careful that when you speak of America, you speak of its government, and not of its people.

In defense of our government, I would ask you: what role would you have them play in the Egyptian revolution? In the Middle East, a region where American credibility is a troubled thing at best, would you have America send in soldiers to oust the Egyptian president and overthrow the government there? That is not feasible -- our military is otherwise occupied. That is not wise -- the people of Egypt will replace Mubarak. American intervention is not necessary. In the event of American intervention, there are many powers in the region who would call a new government illegitimate, and it would result in a government that would be dangerously fragile. Is that what you would like to see for the people of Egypt?

Now, I was personally extremely disappointed in Obama's response the other day. (Was it only yesterday? This is all moving along so quickly.) I was upset that he did not come out on the side of the people, who are demanding freedom, equity, and quite possibly real democracy. I found his bet-hedging to be almost anti-human and robotically political. And yet I understood that it had to be that way, because of Egypt's positive relationship with Israel and the United States in a region where we need every friend we can find.

I'm rabid with anger at our American news sources, which are frankly, flat-out just not good enough.

I know there's a legion of people out there who hear the conservative commentators framing this revolution as a kind of punchline, and believe, because they are not exposed to better sources of information, that the Egyptians have taken to the streets because their dictator is not Muslim enough. Thousands or millions of Americans are worrying today over the potential for a new extreme Muslim regime to emerge out of this situation and further destabilize the world.

****ing hogwash.

So I, too, am displeased with America this week -- but the difference between you and me is that at least I can articulate why. This is not a moment to gloat over the evils of America in some half-assed gloat-speak. Where's America? Pffff. We didn't cause this. We couldn't have prevented this. And now that it's happening, we can't fix this.

This is in the hands of our Egyptian brothers and sisters.

How about the Royal Netherlands army swoops into Egypt and saves the day and feeds these people and ousts the despot and creates an Egyptian economy where every person can have a job and live with the dignity that they deserve? How'd that be? Where's the ****ing Dutch in all of this?
 
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Dutch, be careful that when you speak of America, you speak of its government, and not of its people.

In defense of our government, I would ask you: what role would you have them play in the Egyptian revolution? In the Middle East, a region where American credibility is a troubled thing at best, would you have America send in soldiers to oust the Egyptian president and overthrow the government there? That is not feasible -- our military is otherwise occupied. That is not wise -- the people of Egypt will replace Mubarak. American intervention is not necessary. In the event of American intervention, there are many powers in the region who would call a new government illegitimate, and it would result in a government that would be dangerously fragile. Is that what you would like to see for the people of Egypt?

Now, I was personally extremely disappointed in Obama's response the other day. (Was it only yesterday? This is all moving along so quickly.) I was upset that he did not come out on the side of the people, who are demanding freedom, equity, and quite possibly real democracy. I found his bet-hedging to be almost anti-human and robotically political. And yet I understood that it had to be that way, because of Egypt's positive relationship with Israel and the United States in a region where we need every friend we can find.

I'm rabid with anger at our American news sources, which are frankly, flat-out just not good enough.

I know there's a legion of people out there who hear the conservative commentators framing this revolution as a kind of punchline, and believe, because they are not exposed to better sources of information, that the Egyptians have taken to the streets because their dictator is not Muslim enough. Thousands or millions of Americans are worrying today over the potential for a new extreme Muslim regime to emerge out of this situation and further destabilize the world.

****ing hogwash.

So I, too, am displeased with America this week -- but the difference between you and me is that at least I can articulate why. This is not a moment to gloat over the evils of America in some half-assed gloat-speak. Where's America? Pffff. We didn't cause this. We couldn't have prevented this. And now that it's happening, we can't fix this.

This is in the hands of our Egyptian brothers and sisters.

How about the Royal Netherlands army swoops into Egypt and saves the day and feeds these people and ousts the despot and creates an Egyptian economy where every person can have a job and live with the dignity that they deserve? How'd that be? Where's the ****ing Dutch in all of this?

lol stick i'm not a dutch citizen.

i am just saying america always sticks it bisnes where it does not belong. vietnam, iraq afganistan. and spreads a message of freedom/democracy. now that the people of a country ask for freedom and democracy America is nowhere to be found(by that i mean the government). wouldn't it be good if obama came out and said we support the PEOPLE of egypt. and are standing by to help them. and i mean not send tanks and (gay and straight ;) ) marines. i mean it could be just moral support. and if the people request it military support, doubt they will request it.

is America standing by with aid cus if this lasts any longer food might become scarce, medicene etc. is america ready to give that kind a support.

its not that america needs to do something. am i ragging on canada, zwitzerland or other countries? no because they never stick their nose in places they dont belong under the guise of catching this mythical make believe bin laden, or this mythical freeing iraq from tyranni.

i hope i gave a good indication of where i am coming from. they have been fighting for almost 10 years "liberating" and bringing "democracy". now that a country in the middle east WANTS it. they are doing nothing.

i get it it wasnt the goal of the war in iraq and afghanistan to bring democracy. it was a RETALIATION because of 9/11 and some oil thing.
so it was a lie. and because they are at war, they went to war on a lie. so they need to keep fighting on that lie.

i jsut think the american government sucks when it comes to the world. myabe they are great for their people.

no offens to americans though
 
If I were a flag-waver, I would begin to point out all the things that America has done for the world which were right, necessary, positive, and at great sacrifice -- because traditionally, American interventionism has been a force for tremendous good in the world. I would point out that America and its allies have _literally_ saved the world on more than one occasion. I would point out that American foreign aid feeds millions. I would point out that America builds schools in Iraq and Afghanistan and, in spite of its flaws -- and it has many -- over and over again, when faced with right and wrong, America chooses right. When faced with evil, America dares to say, "We won't let this happen."

Did Switzerland win World War 2? No sir. Neutrality is not some kind of inherent virtue.

But I know that if I did say that, an educated person (not you, perhaps, but someone a little bit like you but with a better command of history) would respond with a litany of things that America screwed up. America has blood on its hands, they would say. American interventionism has led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands. New governments supported by America have a habit of turning into dictatorships. Explain Disney, they would say. Explain ACTA. Your country is ****.

And the truth is we would both be right. I lean more toward the latter argument these days than the former.

Nevertheless, your points about Egypt, now, are complete nonsense. 'Cept for that one you picked up from me, just now, about how American should have taken the side of the protestors. But I'm not counting that, for obvious reasons.
 
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