Salary Cap Stuff

[homeytennis]

If the post is true that the Jazz need to spend something like 3 to 4 million dollars by the end of the season for cap purposes here are some interesting nuggets: Brock Motum's season is over in Australia and he finished 5th in the league in scoring and rebounding and his team finished 3rd. I noticed on the Grand Rapids DLeague team you have former first round pick Daniel Orton, Nate Wolters, Kevin Murphy and Diante Garrett all playing. Perhaps there could be a parade of 10 day dudes going through SLC.

 

[nightmare3983]

If the post is true that the Jazz need to spend something like 3 to 4 million dollars by the end of the season for cap purposes here are some interesting nuggets: Brock Motum's season is over in Australia and he finished 5th in the league in scoring and rebounding and his team finished 3rd. I noticed on the Grand Rapids DLeague team you have former first round pick Daniel Orton, Nate Wolters, Kevin Murphy and Diante Garrett all playing. Perhaps there could be a parade of 10 day dudes going through SLC.

It feels like this parade has been going on for a while.

 

[gregbroncs]

They don't have to spend it. They will give it to the players they have or something like that if they don't.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They don't have to spend it. They will give it to the players they have or something like that if they don't.

We are already at the salary floor... we still have room under the cap to spend. We don't have to spend anything else. You will likely see one more Cotton like signing, because the salary can be used to match contracts in a trade during draft time. The player can be cut for nothing if no matching is needed.

 

[homeytennis]

They don't have to spend it. They will give it to the players they have or something like that if they don't.

OK I misunderstood. That can be the team's bonus checks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

OK I misunderstood. That can be the team's bonus checks.

Nope... goes in the Miller's pockets. You guys are thinking of the salary floor... we already there.

 

[GVC]

We are already at the salary floor... we still have room under the cap to spend. We don't have to spend anything else. You will likely see one more Cotton like signing, because the salary can be used to match contracts in a trade during draft time. The player can be cut for nothing if no matching is needed.

There are more uses for the salary as well. If the contracts are structured like Booker's, with a guarantee date AFTER the end of the July moratorium - when free agents can sign (the Jazz could cut Booker up to a week after the end of the July moratorium) - the Jazz could use that salary in a trade or sign-and-trade for a player or players that put them over the cap with or without the MLE included. Keep in mind, the Jazz are a non-tax payer, and can receive up to 150% of outgoing salary (+ $100k) in a trade that puts them over the cap. Effectively, this gives the Jazz more options to explore trades and sign-and-trades in the offseason, while also making it possible to use the MLE AFTER making such trades. If the Jazz only had cap space, they could only receive salary up to the cap, and wouldn't have the option of using the MLE, regardless of the trades they make. This is Morey-level stuff...KOC never really used tricks like these (although the Jazz rarely had cap space while he was GM).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There are more uses for the salary as well. If the contracts are structured like Booker's, with a guarantee date AFTER the end of the July moratorium - when free agents can sign (the Jazz could cut Booker up to a week after the end of the July moratorium) - the Jazz could use that salary in a trade or sign-and-trade for a player or players that put them over the cap with or without the MLE included. Keep in mind, the Jazz are a non-tax payer, and can receive up to 150% of outgoing salary (+ $100k) in a trade that puts them over the cap. Effectively, this gives the Jazz more options to explore trades and sign-and-trades in the offseason, while also making it possible to use the MLE AFTER making such trades. If the Jazz only had cap space, they could only receive salary up to the cap, and wouldn't have the option of using the MLE, regardless of the trades they make. This is Morey-level stuff...KOC never really used tricks like these (although the Jazz rarely had cap space while he was GM).

Listen to this guy. This is a really good point.

 

[sgjazzfan]

I clicked on this link with one hope, that homey somehow started a thread that wasn't related to the D-league. Oh well, maybe next time.

 

[homeytennis]

I clicked on this link with one hope, that homey somehow started a thread that wasn't related to the D-league. Oh well, maybe next time.

Or perhaps sign Ray Allen or someone like that for the rest of the year.

 

[sgjazzfan]

Or perhaps sign Ray Allen or someone like that for the rest of the year.

Too late to redeem yourself with a simple post my friend

 

[GVC]

There are more uses for the salary as well. If the contracts are structured like Booker's, with a guarantee date AFTER the end of the July moratorium - when free agents can sign (the Jazz could cut Booker up to a week after the end of the July moratorium) - the Jazz could use that salary in a trade or sign-and-trade for a player or players that put them over the cap with or without the MLE included. Keep in mind, the Jazz are a non-tax payer, and can receive up to 150% of outgoing salary (+ $100k) in a trade that puts them over the cap. Effectively, this gives the Jazz more options to explore trades and sign-and-trades in the offseason, while also making it possible to use the MLE AFTER making such trades. If the Jazz only had cap space, they could only receive salary up to the cap, and wouldn't have the option of using the MLE, regardless of the trades they make. This is Morey-level stuff...KOC never really used tricks like these (although the Jazz rarely had cap space while he was GM).

Just to give an example:

The Jazz may be able to to add a big money free agent in a sign-and-trade who wouldn't fit under the cap even if all the Jazz's cap holds and unguaranteed players were renounced (there would have to be outgoing salary, of course). The Jazz could then turn around, and still add Tomic with the MLE. So, effectively, The Tomic/big name player or free agent equation isn''t necessarily an either/or. The Jazz could even potentially keep Booker, add Tomic, and still pull off a maneuver like this to add another player through a trade or sign-and-trade.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Just to give an example:

The Jazz may be able to to add a big money free agent in a sign-and-trade who wouldn't fit under the cap even if all the Jazz's cap holds and unguaranteed players were renounced (there would have to be outgoing salary, of course). The Jazz could then turn around, and still add Tomic with the MLE. So, effectively, The Tomic/big name player or free agent equation isn''t necessarily an either/or. The Jazz could even potentially keep Booker, add Tomic, and still pull off a maneuver like this to add another player through a trade or sign-and-trade.

Jazz don't have the contracts to get to 150%, though, unless you trade Hayward or Favors. Possibly Burks. That might be the only way. Add Burke and Burks and you get 11.8M. Can get a 17M player for that. That'll work in sign and trade.

 

[gregbroncs]

We are already at the salary floor... we still have room under the cap to spend. We don't have to spend anything else. You will likely see one more Cotton like signing, because the salary can be used to match contracts in a trade during draft time. The player can be cut for nothing if no matching is needed.

bad assumption by me. I assumed he meant floor when he said we had to spend it. I didn't look up the #'s.

 

[GVC]

Jazz don't have the contracts to get to 150%, though, unless you trade Hayward or Favors. Possibly Burks. That might be the only way. Add Burke and Burks and you get 11.8M. Can get a 17M player for that. That'll work in sign and trade.

It depends on how much these fringe guys are signing for on this unguaranteed deals, but, yeah, you'd pretty much need to include someone with a decent salary to do all I listed. It's not that realistic.

 

[GVC]

The starting salary on a max contract for a player with 0-6 years of service time should be about $15.5mil next season. Teams over the cap need to send out at least $10.5mil to receive $15.5mil in a trade.

Alec alone will make ~$9.8mil next season, just $700k less than the salary needed to take back $15.5mil. Trey + Booker will make $7.4mil next season, about $3mil short. If Kawhi, Jimmy Butler or Draymond Green (or not) could be had for some combination of the above and unguaranteed players, it'd be HUGE. The Jazz could potentially have the salary to take on two big free agents in sign-and-trades, and then use the MLE on Tomic.