Rudy Gobert - 2015/2016 Defensive Player Of The Year Push

[Hotdog]

They actually do have metrics to examine how strong a player is at staying in front of their man. It's called "keep in front percent" - and Dante has been in the top 4 of all guards (SGs and PGs) for the past month.

Interesting... I didn't know that. I would be more inclined to rely on that to help me determine a good defensive player. Since its nearly impossible to watch every player every game. But I would still like to get a look at what the player is doing, and how they are doing it.

 

[Flc]

Interesting... I didn't know that. I would be more inclined to rely on that to help me determine a good defensive player. Since its nearly impossible to watch every player every game. But I would still like to get a look at what the player is doing, and how they are doing it.

Oh yeah, totally agree. There has to be a combination of metrics and observation (eye-test, scouting, coaching, etc.) I like to think of it this way: if you're trying to get somewhere, metrics act like the subway to get you in the right neighborhood, and observation acts like the subsequent walking/bus you take to get you from the general neighborhood to your specific address.

 

[Hotdog]

They actually do have metrics to examine how strong a player is at staying in front of their man. It's called "keep in front percent" - and Dante has been in the top 4 of all guards (SGs and PGs) for the past month.

Where do you find that?

Also, where does Rudy rank on that?

The problem with that being a statistic you can rely on is that it doesn't say how well you are challenging shots as well.

I suppose that if you used every single analytic out there you could find a way to say who the best defender is. But wouldn't that just take a whole lot of time? And wouldn't be easier to just use your eyes if you know what you are doing and come to a conclusion a lot quicker?

 

[Flc]

It's advanced metrics that aren't widely publically available. Check out this: https://www.vantagesports.com/# and https://saltcityhoops.com/previousl...nba-stats-to-be-released-in-consumer-package/

Andy Larsen uses them a lot for his site - that's where I got the Exum stat.

 

[silesian]

So did that list do us any good to look at it? Probably not.

Yes, we get that you think that this stat does no good at all. It is probably pure coincidence that 8/10 all NBA defense players were in the top 10% for their position.

 

[silesian]

In fact, the best defense doesn't even show up in the stat column. And that's essentially being able to stay in front of your man, and challenge shots.

I was listening to Quin talk about how he coaches defense, he agrees with you. Solid defense has very little to do with communicating, off ball defense, rotations, help defense, taking away passing lanes, ability to close, blocking out, timing rebounds, timing blocks, taking a charge, etc.

Just stay in front of you man and don't worry about all that other trivial stuff.

That's all he teaches. It gets really boring in the film sessions.

 

[Hotdog]

I was listening to Quin talk about how he coaches defense, he agrees with you. Solid defense has very little to do with communicating, off ball defense, rotations, help defense, taking away passing lanes, ability to close, blocking out, timing rebounds, timing blocks, taking a charge, etc.

Just stay in front of you man and don't worry about all that other trivial stuff.

That's all he teaches. It gets really boring in the film sessions.

You are right.

Good job