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Kanter 30 Pts and 16 Rebs... And Now the Rest of the Story...

I don't think Enes mailed it home with us, nor do I think that's what he meant. I just don't think our players responded to his picks like Westbrook, nor did anyone on our team attack the rack leaving as many options available for put-backs, and I also think our perimeter players don't make the selves as available to the pass as those on OKc do (reference Derrick in the double team last game).

We would have seen more from Enes has we seen him with an established PG. I really think it is that simple. Offensive big men need PG's to shine (Hayward was our main ball-handler, and he was sort of freezing him out, and also not as good in PnR as a Westbrook).

The Grizzlies game was another example of the good and bad of Enes on defense. It was honestly the same as we saw here. Lots of misplaced effort. Some sets he was efficient, but more often than not, he was mucking up the PnR defense and finding himself on the smaller/quicker defender and leaving a little to gaurd a big. It's like he thinks he should make that switch and isn't always forced into it. It honestly looks as though he initiates that unfavorable mismatch by his body placement. Good thing for OKC, he should be able to be coached out of this stupid behavior. He'll never be a Rudy or a Derrick, but he shouldn't be a Boozer/ Al type either. He had a block and a stl last night.
 
Capsman said:
That is simply not true. You could have picked about 20 other games to pick on and would have had a valid point. Last night was arguably a decent defensive game by Enes. Gasol and Randolph, two prolific low post scorers, had 12 points between them in the 1st quarter. Enes was not guarding both of them. They both finished the game around their averages for the season. If you watch the game Enes was coming off his man and helping more than usual, even altered some shots. There's no question he needs to work on his defense, but the notion that he won't get better at it is simply sour grapes. He's a special talent, time will tell if he becomes the best overall player he can be.

As for all the vitriol toward him over his comments, blown way out of proportion. When he said he wasn't bringing it every night, it was self-deprecating in the sense that he was saying he understood he wasn't as good as he could be. The interpretation that he intentionally dogged it is silly. As for organizational professionalism, he could have been talking about the players and not management. In fact, judging by the players' responses, they understood it that way too. When he said he didn't have a lot of friends on the team, it's obvious that there had been some acrimony with some players. Nobody in the media and none of you knows exactly what was going on behind the scenes.

As for the Jazz giving him minutes, he was relegated to being a decoy jump shooter. If that's the aspect of his game they were working hard on, then it's understandable that he wanted out. Kid is coming up on a new contract and understandably wanted to show what he could do. No biggie, worked out well for both teams. While Enes has some growing up to do, it seems that fans do too.
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You probably don't understand because most of us here are fans of the Utah Jazz. Many of us have been fans (again, of the Utah Jazz) for decades. I was a fan of the Utah Jazz before Kanter was born.

So, being fans of the Utah Jazz first we're all happy to hate someone who has gone out of their way to be a villain to the Utah Jazz.

Since you're not a fan of the Utah Jazz I don't expect you to understand.
 
KD's Framily said:
Check it out guys, I found The Blue Elephant on Reddit!

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2wadjc/enes_kanter_zach_randolph/cop1nxa

You know TBE, if this is how you really feel about the Utah Jazz:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/commen...hread_thunder_cool_down_the_heat_9475/cpnhcwy

Why are you still posting here?
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Ya thats me. I thought I made it obvious when I linked stuff from reddit that I said while linking the thread. That quote is bad. I should have said "almost makes me wish." But take it however you want.
 
twenty-three said:
How? By sitting on the bench?
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He was a 2 year starter. He was probably pissed that he was about to be Burke'd. Placed on the bench. I have no proof of this but I think he was either told or saw it coming that he was going to be on the bench by the end of the year.
 
Capsman said:
That is simply not true. You could have picked about 20 other games to pick on and would have had a valid point. Last night was arguably a decent defensive game by Enes. Gasol and Randolph, two prolific low post scorers, had 12 points between them in the 1st quarter. Enes was not guarding both of them. They both finished the game around their averages for the season. If you watch the game Enes was coming off his man and helping more than usual, even altered some shots. There's no question he needs to work on his defense, but the notion that he won't get better at it is simply sour grapes. He's a special talent, time will tell if he becomes the best overall player he can be.

As for all the vitriol toward him over his comments, blown way out of proportion. When he said he wasn't bringing it every night, it was self-deprecating in the sense that he was saying he understood he wasn't as good as he could be. The interpretation that he intentionally dogged it is silly. As for organizational professionalism, he could have been talking about the players and not management. In fact, judging by the players' responses, they understood it that way too. When he said he didn't have a lot of friends on the team, it's obvious that there had been some acrimony with some players. Nobody in the media and none of you knows exactly what was going on behind the scenes.

As for the Jazz giving him minutes, he was relegated to being a decoy jump shooter. If that's the aspect of his game they were working hard on, then it's understandable that he wanted out. Kid is coming up on a new contract and understandably wanted to show what he could do. No biggie, worked out well for both teams. While Enes has some growing up to do, it seems that fans do too.
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Why can't you just get over it? Kanter isn't on the Jazz anymore. Move on bro.
 
gregbroncs said:
He was a 2 year starter. He was probably pissed that he was about to be Burke'd. Placed on the bench. I have no proof of this but I think he was either told or saw it coming that he was going to be on the bench by the end of the year.
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I don't think you need any proof here. If it wasn't obvious to Enes, without being told, that Gobert's stature has grown beyond his in the eyes of coaches, fans, even national media....then he'd have to be quite thick.

He's even thicker if he thinks it was a personal thing. If OKC had Gobert and Kanter right now, they'd start Gobert over him 10 times out of 10, too.
 
One thing is certain: Kanter is an offensive juggernaut. Seriously. Man has serious skills and can put up big offensive numbers and grab a lot of boards. In the right situation he will average a double double. His defense is lacking but in the right situation his lapses can be accommodated. And that's just it. Utah turned out not to be the right recipe for him to succeed. My biggest complaint is that Utah didn't manage to trade him for something more substantial, because clearly he's gonna get paid. I think he's immature, his comments about Utah were bullsock, and I'll boo him every time because villains are fun.


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I remember after the trade that I pointed out how Enes' presence on the court helped Hayward be efficient offensively on a nightly basis, and I was negged like three times for it. Being someone who always found it fun to kick the hornets' nest, I think I'll point out that I was right.

Pre All-Star Hayward shot 46% from the field and 39% from three.

Post All-Star Hayward has shot 41% from the field and 28% from three.

https://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4249/gordon-hayward



We all need to hope Alec is enough of a force to complement Hayward, or that Exum and Hood progress a lot in the offseason, or we get someone really skilled offensively in the offseason, otherwise we could see the return of inefficient Hayward, which is unhappy Hayward.
 
Sexual Favors said:
I remember after the trade that I pointed out how Enes' presence on the court helped Hayward be efficient offensively on a nightly basis, and I was negged like three times for it. Being someone who always found it fun to kick the hornets' nest, I think I'll point out that I was right.

Pre All-Star Hayward shot 46% from the field and 39% from three.

Post All-Star Hayward has shot 41% from the field and 28% from three.

https://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4249/gordon-hayward



We all need to hope Alec is enough of a force to complement Hayward, or that Exum and Hood progress a lot in the offseason, or we get someone really skilled offensively in the offseason, otherwise we could see the return of inefficient Hayward, which is unhappy Hayward.
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Unlike Kanter, I think Hayward prefers getting W's than putting up good stats. So I doubt he'd be unhappy as long as we are winning.
 
magic said:
Unlike Kanter, I think Hayward prefers getting W's than putting up good stats. So I doubt he'd be unhappy as long as we are winning.
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They both like winning.

Hayward would still criticize himself after wins where he was inefficient last year. Perfectuonists don't like being inefficient. He'll nitpick himself for every game not won. We just need to find another scorer, which is probably Alec--so we're good.
 
The thing I do like about Enes is he's added a lot of drama to this season and given us a lot to talk about. In a way I'm thankful he's such an idiot I don't think I'd change anything.
 
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