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Lowry anybody?

Lowry has a big heart and motor but low basketball IQ+chuckers mentality. He is just not a good fit in Snyders sytem. Look how Wall just completely destroyed him in playoffs. Not a fan. Patterson would be great on the other hand.
 
MVP said:
Lowry has a big heart and motor but low basketball IQ+chuckers mentality. He is just not a good fit in Snyders sytem. Look how Wall just completely destroyed him in playoffs. Not a fan. Patterson would be great on the other hand.
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Yah, I've noticed that too, he sometimes has the tendency to take ridiculously hard shots. If he's to play in our system we'd need to rein him in a bit. In previous seasons he's been shooting more catch and shoot 3s with great efficiency and this would be ideal for our system. This season he's relied to create offense on his own a lot and he's been shooting more unassisted and off the dribble. I think in our system that won't be a problem. We have offense creators both at the SG and SF spots.

I, too, love Patterson and that's what makes the trade even better for me. I think even if we don't pull the trigger on a Lowry trade, Patterson might be a great player to acquire on his own as our stretch 4 off the bench(if for some reason we have to let Booker go).
 
stitches said:
Yah, I've noticed that too, he sometimes has the tendency to take ridiculously hard shots. If he's to play in our system we'd need to rein him in a bit. In previous seasons he's been shooting more catch and shoot 3s with great efficiency and this would be ideal for our system. This season he's relied to create offense on his own a lot and he's been shooting more unassisted and off the dribble. I think in our system that won't be a problem. We have offense creators both at the SG and SF spots.

I, too, love Patterson and that's what makes the trade even better for me. I think even if we don't pull the trigger on a Lowry trade, Patterson might be a great player to acquire on his own as our stretch 4 off the bench(if for some reason we have to let Booker go).
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Anyone know what Dwane Casey's offensive system is?

Would definitely be a calculated risk to expect a player to fit in an offensive system when you can't even talk to him. The catch and shoot percentages are, of course, encouraging.
 
MVP said:
Lowry has a big heart and motor but low basketball IQ+chuckers mentality. He is just not a good fit in Snyders sytem. Look how Wall just completely destroyed him in playoffs. Not a fan. Patterson would be great on the other hand.
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Wall is going to destroy a lot of people.

Lowry's best big man has been Luis Scola when he was in Houston. Never had a lot of good PNR options or off-ball scorers to play with.

That would be the upside to Lowry, that we could give him a lot of options to be more of a PG with.
 
Hack said:
Nobody is saying Lowry is complete garbage. It when you take into account all the factors, it doesn't make sense. That's includes Exum's development. Get off the fence and take a side.

Besides what is it that everyone complains about Burke? It's his shooting efficiency. Lowry is 41% for Career. Where is the upside in taking a huge risk for him? 12 million is still 12 million and nice chuck of the cap evenwhen it goes up. Trey Burke is still young on a rookie deal, and can improve. 1st rounders are still 1st rounders.

Add everything up and it doesn't make sense for us.

Is Lowry A nice player despite his shooting inefficiency? Ya, but he's not worth it.

This is a pretty easy open and shut decision on this idea. It's pretty obvious when you think about it.
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Not only that but making this trade probably ends the chance of getting Tomic. I think it's just a ton to give up for a guy that has too many questions for this team. I'd not do it, I'm not sure it's even close. Too many negative effects on the roster and team. As well as a slew of potential negative effects. All without really gaining anything long term.
 
gregbroncs said:
Not only that but making this trade probably ends the chance of getting Tomic. I think it's just a ton to give up for a guy that has too many questions for this team. I'd not do it, I'm not sure it's even close. Too many negative effects on the roster and team. As well as a slew of potential negative effects. All without really gaining anything long term.
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Yes. Essentially the price for getting Lowry is whatever Toronto gets + probably Booker + Tomic. And if there is a way to keep Booker, it means Lowry is our ONLY addition. We'd have zero FA dollars left and would have given up our pick. So we bring in a 2nd-rounder to back-up Gobert?
 
Stifle Tower said:
Yes. Essentially the price for getting Lowry is whatever Toronto gets + probably Booker + Tomic. And if there is a way to keep Booker, it means Lowry is our ONLY addition. We'd have zero FA dollars left and would have given up our pick. So we bring in a 2nd-rounder to back-up Gobert?
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Tomic can be signed with a rookie exception, as far as I know.

Edit: I guess not... ignore that.

Edit 2: Here's my calculations from the other thread:
We have 45.8M tied in contracts. If we accept the contracts of Lowry and Patterson (17.8M) we get to 63.6, if we send Trey to Toronto, that would make it about 61M. The cap is projected to be around 67M... We will have 6M to the cap with the following players tied with contracts:

Gordon Hayward
Derrick Favors
Dante Exum
Alec Burks
Rodney Hood
Rudy Gobert
Kyle Lowry
Patrick Patterson.



If you offer 5M to Tomic, you are left with 1M that you can spend on Millsap's contract. You have mid-level exception of ~2.8M, that you can split to multiple players. Say you pick the option on Cotton. You are left with 2M(Lets say our 2 second round picks). We can go above the limit for resigning our own players(Jingles, Evans). So you are left with a depth chart like this:

Depth chart:

PG: Lowry, Exum, Cotton
SG: Burks, Hood, Millsap, (second round pick)
SF: Hayward, Hood, Ingles
PF: Favors, Patterson, Evans
C: Gobert, Tomic, (second round pick)

If you need a hole plugged at some time during the season you are allowed to use a min-salary exception to sign a D-Leaguer for example. You can exchange one of the second's with a late first if DL manages to buy a pick we want(Gobert-style).

I don't see how that hurts our flexibility when this is going to be the cap only for one year and after that the cap jumps to ~90 million. So we would have in ~20 million to spend the first year of the new CBA, and 30M in the second year of the CBA(~45-50M if it's used for resigning our own players).
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There is so much nonsense in this thread.

First Lowry is a good defender. He is strong and solid and won't hurt us on that end at all.

Second, don't see the guy falling off. He isn't an incredibly explosive athlete and relies on his strength and shooting. Don't see either of those going away.

He hasn't been crazy efficient but he is his teams best offensive player so he's carrying an load thats a bit much for him. He has been nicked up the last half of the season but that happens sometimes. He won't have to do as much on our team. He's a much better offensive player than either of our current point guards.

Also what are we giving up... Cap space, a late lotto pick and a pick in 2 years that won't turn into a player that contributes for 4+ years. We are receiving guys that fill in our only holes we currently have on our roster. Look at the history of the 12th pick... It ain't pretty.

Those that think this isn't the SA way... Neither is having all rookies. They have always had veterans on the squad... Always. They also never had the amount of draft picks we currently have. They have also brought on questionable players... Stephen Jackson, Boris Diaw (he's lazy)... There have been others I've gotta think about it. Point is this move wouldn't be some crazy shortcut that hamstrings the franchise. Both guys are on fair contracts that will look better as the cap rises.

There is also more than one way to skin a cat... Boston traded some assets for veterans and that seemed to work out alright.
 
DeliveryBoy said:
Richard Jefferson.
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Yeah, when they traded for him, he was on the last year of his deal...then he resigned for a lot less than his last deal...then was traded away at the end of the deal.

No thanks on Lowry. Jefferson was an expiring FA when traded for. He did not have years remaining at a 10+ million price tag.
 
green said:
41%FG
34% 3pt
12 million per for three more years.
Asked to change the way he plays.

No thanks.
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Top 7 in the league in RPM for his position 2 years in a row. You can measure players a lot of ways... When he is on the court his team is much better than when he's off the court... Also check out trey and Dante's shooting numbers and free throw attempts. Lowry is an upgrade at a reasonable price. I doubt we could get him for Burke and the 12.

If we didn't do it I trust DL... He would have been on Houston when Lowry was around I think. At very least he'd have a ton of info on him.
 
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