Can't wait for Hillary v Jeb. The super bowl of all super bowls.
The First Man
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Can't wait for Hillary v Jeb. The super bowl of all super bowls.
This is what I am expecting to be honest. I'll vote but probably give some third party my presidential vote.
When he got elected? Probably not so much. But it has been another 20 years of history now. Can you honestly tell my that the right will work with her? Or that the left will work with Jeb?
Politics are increasingly divisive and those two names invoke the worst. Just take one look at the media coverage. They talk about the two of them like they are demons.
It's not about who the next president will be, it's about tv ratings.
The future tv deal will be much more lucrative after Hillary v Jeb than some other candidates.
Joe Bagadonuts
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This is true. Can you imagine what's going to happen to the salary cap?
Was talking about when Bill was in office, not now or future.
I was just getting a baseline of opinions. Most people talk in extremes when talking politcs which is one reason why politicians act and talk in extremes as well and politics are so divided. That is what USA seems to want. It is this way or that and no middle ground.
Most people say things like this politician is awful, terrible, will ruin america, is evil... Things like that are hurting politics. People who say Obama is a bad person, terrible president or ruined america is not worth talking politics with. Or anyone who listens to shock political radio personalities for that matter. If you quote me sean hannity or liberal equivalent when discussing politics the conversations over. Like a president or presidential candidate or not but at least talk about something real and dont make extreme statements.
Not talking to anyone in this thread just a general complaint of mine.
Well it will for sure increase by quite a bit. The breakout depends on the new CBA though.
Fiar enough. But one has to consider the history of their names as it will play a huge role in their running. The will look at how Bill will act as "First Man", Will Jeb follow in his dad and brothers footsteps and engage us in another mid east war.
The histories of these two names helps them in their own parties but damages them beyond repair with the other side. They will never be able to bridge that divide. Both by unreceptiveness of the opposition and by their own actions. Far to many "scandals" and "controversies" associated with these last names. So by electing either one of them you are ensuring that this toxic political atmosphere continues and possibly gets worse.
You mention Sean Hannity and a liberal equivelant and that proves my point. Those guys are massive hacks and should be ashamed of themselves. But they have massive reach and people do listen to them. You even bringing them up shows you know what I am saying is valid.
These two candidates are special in that way, this argument only applies to these two.
Cappy_Smurf
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I'm going to vote for Hillary just to piss off Dutch.
So....
I see Bill walking down the street with a potbelly pig under one arm.
Some guy asks him, what did you get that for?
Bill says Hillary.
The guy says..... Nice trade!
I see Bill walking down the street with a potbelly pig under one arm.
Some guy asks him, what did you get that for?
Bill says Hillary.
The guy says..... Nice trade!
Joe Bagadonuts
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Given the apparent power of Bill's last name this means we're about to see our first potbelly pig as president. At least it would be an upgrade from Hillary.
I think the level of cooperation, when push comes to shove, has as much to do with party politics as it does with the individual personality that might be in the Presidency.
If the parties would decide it's worth their while to cooperate, they will do so, regardless of who holds the office of President.
Normally I would agree. But I think these two will be an exception to that, usually.
Cappy_Smurf
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Does anyone know if Jeb is actually gonna run? I am getting a little sick and tired of N. Korea and Russia challenging our authority. Might be nice to do a little invading again, so the rest of the world can be reminded who's boss.
This is what I've done the last couple of elections. I know I'm essentially wasting my vote, but I am so disenchanted with both the Dems and the Reps that I cannot, in good conscience, vote for either of their presidential candidates.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Joe Bagadonuts
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Me 2. Completely sick and tired of party politics. Just as unimpressed by the Dems as I am by the Reps.
Cappy_Smurf
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I don't follow either party, as I believe in making up my own mind on each and every issue. However, unless there is an independent with a legitimate shot at winning, I'm afraid the only realistic way for my vote to count is to vote for whoever I consider to be the lesser of two evils between the dems and repubs. Otherwise, a vote for an independent might just as well be a vote for the least desirable candidate. If voting patterns were to hold true to the way they've gone in the past, I'd imagine the republicans would have an advantage in the next election. However, it's getting to the point that so many Americans have become fed up with both parties, it may come down to which party loses the most votes to a 3rd candidate.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I assume you live in Utah. If so, I don't know if you are aware of this, but your presidential vote doesn't count no matter who you vote for. This state's electoral college votes are going to go to the republican candidate, no matter what.
To me, this way of thinking is a huge part of the problem. It's why 3rd parties have such a difficult path to viability. Is it really better to vote for the lesser of two evils than for someone with whom you agree more ideologically, but who has little to no chance of winning? Not to me. If everyone who is on the fence would consider options beyond D and R, maybe something good for the country could get some traction.