Dumb pig cops getting smarter?

[NAOS]

Really?

I'm curious, then. What is the ample historical precedent you believe exists in which a police force (or domestic security force) was held accountable for/and answered to the people they policed, as opposed to the existing power structure? These would include cases in which police or security officers were held to strict standards of rule of law, respected the civil liberties of the people they policed and were somewhat routinely held accountable (e.g., punished) for violating the rule of law/civil liberties. I'm guessing you can cite multiple examples, based on your comment. Remember, these can't be recent (e.g., latter half of 20th century moving forward).

Can't you see how this language will only accept answers from the time of French and American Revolutions to now?! Do you see how this only accepts answers from a liberal perspective on history and power? You realize there were more than 100,000 years of human history before these events, right?

Look into the anthropological record of human history. You'll find ample evidence of chiefs and other local protectors being highly responsive to their people. If you don't like these examples, then you can look into the local control that was given to many provinces within most Empires beginning in about 3200 BC.

You're hyper-recent perspective on history isn't cute.

 

[fishonjazz]

Ban dutchjazzer

 

[HighlandHomie]

Pretty sure witty is an alt of highlandhomie. Either that or a clone.

Nope - I haven't created an alt on here. I'd imagine alts are created to post stuff people don't want to put under the username they take most "seriously". I speak without a filter on this account. Well, whatever filter is in place on this message board - but you get the picture. I'm not afraid to post anything I'm feeling or thinking under this name, thus don't need an alt.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Ban dutchjazzer

typical liberal t(y)ranny.

my view does not conform to you liberal view. so i must be banned and punished. even though i try to argue my point of view. even said the cop should be punished for reaching his gun(but not losing his job and means of supporting his law abiding family). even though i kinda explained it and kinda understand it happening seeing as he had the feeling he was about to get swarmed by a group of provocateurs and in danger of physical harm.

 

[fishonjazz]

Ban banners!

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Can't you see how this language will only accept answers from the time of French and American Revolutions to now?! Do you see how this only accepts answers from a liberal perspective on history and power? You realize there were more than 100,000 years of human history before these events, right?

Look into the anthropological record of human history. You'll find ample evidence of chiefs and other local protectors being highly responsive to their people. If you don't want to go that far, then you can look into the local control that was given to many provinces within most Empires beginning in about 3200 BC.

You're hyper-recent perspective on history isn't cute.

Let me clarify, my frame of reference is not warlords, chiefs, clan leaders, etc.

I am highly, highly dubious that local control of Empires beginning around 3200 BC had internal police/security forces that respected rule of law, recognized and respected civil rights, and were held accountable for violating them. I am dubious this was also common even among the warlords, chiefs, clan leaders, where you seem to imply that this was common practice.

Regardless of the language I'm using, I've established my parameters and asked you to provide examples of cases that satisfy the parameters. You have not, other than to insult me and provide a very, very general answer that does not answer the question. If there are such ample examples, I'm sure someone as erudite and obviously as knowledgable as you (or someone who likes to appear as erudite and knowledgeable as you) can easily provide them.

My hyper-recent perspective isn't meant to be cute, it's in reference to my earlier argument that this is a relatively 'recent' phenomenon, in which case, a recent perspective seems appropriate, does it not?

 

[DutchJazzer]

I get that, Log, but if one wishes to make a point, and be taken seriously, one should avoid calling the opposing party a bigot. To me, that indicates an inability to see the two sided nature of the problem.

fixed

on a serious note:
yet you fail to see the same (dis)quality in HH post. because he started this. not me!
but ooh wait he is on your side of the argument so it is ok.

see below for examples

A dumb redneck who had a pulse was able to get a police badge and wanted to pretend he was in a movie. He drew his gun on unarmed kids and even showed his big bad strength by manhandling a girl and throwing her to the ground. Then he kept her pinned down by digging his knees into her back while she laid w/o struggle.

But at least this dumb pig learned maybe you can't shoot and kill unarmed civilians for nothing even though you think you are a hero because you signed up to get a badge and gun.

This pig was already suspended. Doubtful he gets charged with anything, but hopefully he gets terminal cancer and can't have children.

Two domestic abuse claims, and a couple shootings, later - looks like this POS got in a shootout again: https://www.wesh.com/news/george-zimmerman-involved-in-shooting-in-lake-mary-police-say/32943828

I bet his most loyal supporter TroutBum has a great excuse of why Zimmerman is innocent. LOLOL. I guess wannabe pigs stick together. Must be their awful stench that attracts them to each other. Zimmerman and his supporters are no worse than ISIS. All dangerously evil people. More guns though!!! Woo hoo!!! I'm Murican and have ma GOD-GIVEN rights to be violently racist and prejudice!!!

i am sure there are more. but dont wanna poison myu mind searching for em.

so he is on your side but its ok

 

[Qman]

A slight change in topic,

Why do we treat Teenagers differently in a law enforcement sense? I have heard that in many places their criminal records are sealed. I wonder if that benefits society. Wouldn't it be a deter criminal behavior if teenagers knew they could mess up their entire lives?

 

[NAOS]

The most insidious thing about liberal forms of power is how they can trot out "improvements" and then most of the horde will think we're on the right "path".

You can feel dubious about my examples all you want. That doesn't mean I didn't point in the right direction.

You can narrow the parameters of your question all you want. That doesn't mean I'll play along. Your narrowing of the catchment of possible answers is part of the problem, in my opinion. It hides the larger trend of history. Modern policing (let's say, that of the past 500 years) has been the most brutal on record. Forgive me if I don't celebrate the small steps to something more "accountable".

 

[NAOS]

I never said "warlords". lolo

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I never said "warlords". lolo

Warlords fall under the category of "local protectors." You used a general term, and I provided a specific example falling under that term. lolo

Of, if you mean 'local protectors' to imply something entirely different, please clarify.

 

[GVC]

A slight change in topic,

Why do we treat Teenagers differently in a law enforcement sense? I have heard that in many places their criminal records are sealed. I wonder if that benefits society. Wouldn't it be a deter criminal behavior if teenagers knew they could mess up their entire lives?

1. Do you really think minor felonies should destroy a 14-year-old's future educational and occupational opportunities? Really?

2. Academics have had trouble establishing any deterrent effect of stricter laws. That is, your proposed approach simply doesn't work.

3. How very Texas of you.

 

[GVC]

in this case the cour tof public opinion lays no blame whatsoever towards these criminals. yet they are calling for the firing of the cops.
he is already suspended. these people(according to the youtube video comments of the guy who filmed it. nothing is/has happened to these criminals).
nobody cares what consequences these juveniles face not even the media.

all they care about is crucifying a cop


edit: these cops have uch more to lose, than these juveniles. THEY know that so they PROVOKE.
if you provoke and u get bodily harm good. when i provoke someone i know and calculate the risk of bodily harm and i dont go crying about it or film it

This doesn't address your claim at all.

 

[NAOS]

Warlords fall under the category of "local protectors." You used a general term, and I provided a specific example falling under that term. lolo

Of, if you mean 'local protectors' to imply something entirely different, please clarify.

link???

please.... keep trying to bend the language to your advantage. High entertainment value.

There's nothing wrong with the term "local protector".... it just doesn't fit your categories.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

The most insidious thing about liberal forms of power is how they can trot out "improvements" and then most of the horde will think we're on the right "path".

You can feel dubious about my examples all you want. That doesn't mean I didn't point in the right direction.

You can narrow the parameters of your question all you want. That doesn't mean I'll play along. Your narrowing of the catchment of possible answers is part of the problem, in my opinion. It hides the larger trend of history. Modern policing (let's say, that of the past 500 years) has been the most brutal on record. Forgive me if I don't celebrate the small steps to something more "accountable".

You didn't answer the question. Fine, just admit that you can't provide examples. Perhaps next time, when you can't defend your argument, perhaps the best gambit out of the gate is not to call the other person 'stupid.'

 

[NAOS]

You didn't answer the question. Fine, just admit that you can't provide examples. Perhaps next time, when you can't defend your argument, perhaps the best gambit out of the gate is not to call the other person 'stupid.'

Shut the **** up, Donny. Accountable policing is not a new concept. The only person who thinks this has the worst kind of recency bias. I've told you where to look... sure, I did so in broad strokes, but there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. I personally guarantee you'll find months worth of reading if you look where I've pointed.

 

[GVC]

You didn't answer the question. Fine, just admit that you can't provide examples. Perhaps next time, when you can't defend your argument, perhaps the best gambit out of the gate is not to call the other person 'stupid.'

Best not to engage him. He's human garbage.

 

[NAOS]

Moreover, State-funded police forces have always thought they served the just laws and protected "their people." They're simply repeating propaganda, of course, but they still believed it.

 

[NAOS]

Best not to engage him. He's human garbage.

wtf is your problem?

 

[GVC]

wtf is your problem?

I'm a slave to the truth.