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The Jazz need to stop chasing the crowd and get ahead of the curve for once

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franklin

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As a small market team they will never get ahead trying to copy other team's models. My suggestion is to start playing this draft value disparity and trading picks down and taking gambles on multiple guys who fall way farther than their career trajectory is worth. We need to draft our Kawhi, more Gobert, our Bledsoe, our Rondo, our Jimmy Butler, and then maximize value from them when they become wanted commodities.

Take the Kanter draft for instance. There was 1 player in that draft that was a sure thing. Derrick Williams was taken ahead of Kanter for hell's sake. Trade that ****in pick and acquire assets.

Look at Danny Ainge's words today. He admittedly tried to waste assets to trade up but no bites because fans think draft day is all that matters and GM's cannot do their job because of it.

Plenty more examples. Bottom line is NBA draft picks are the most highly overrated asset in professional sports and the Utah Jazz should capitalize on this situation to bring in a **** ton of young prospects ON THE WING that might blow up in a year or two.


The Jazz are a team that traditionally has either been cheap or has tried to think inside the box or has taken the conservative route. The draft is there best chance at grabbing multiple WING players between 11 and 20 who MIGHT blow up.
 
BTW, the conservative Jazz who couldn't match and trade a wanted Wesley Matthews, a guy who will get a huge contract regardless of a serious injury, could not have figured a way to maximize this strategy.
 
franklin said:
Perfect description of the status quo.

If you're going to get into a **** fight then have the bigger pot.
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Than the Jazz FO has really good aim. Gobert, Hayward, Favors, Hood. Possibly Burks, Exum, Hanlan and Lyles.

Only recent players that didn't work out were Burke and Kanter.

Even found some nice end of benchers in Cotton and Millsap.
 
So the OP states that the Jazz shoulda explored trading the #3 pick the year they took Kanter due to the fact that there was only one clear cut "sure thing" that year. Problem is, EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE NBA knew that as well. It's never as simple as: "Ok, we have the #3 pic. Now somebody give us multiple future 1st rounders to trade down. Thanks".

If anything, I think the moves the Jazz have made since Lindsay fully took over for KOC have been damn near spot on and actually ahead of the curve. Did the Jazz let Matthews walk when they shouldn't have? Yes, but talk to KOC and Greg Miller about that. Imo, that's a mistake that Lindsay doesn't bear the blame for. Some in here worry that Utah is falling into the small ball trend. If that were honestly what was happening, I'm guessing Booker would have been the pick instead of a 6'10" guy who depending on how he fills our physically can log minutes at the 3,4, and even 5 depending on the match-up.

Lindsay's been absolute money so far and I can't wait to continue watching this unfold.
 
franklin said:
As a small market team they will never get ahead trying to copy other team's models. My suggestion is to start playing this draft value disparity and trading picks down and taking gambles on multiple guys who fall way farther than their career trajectory is worth. We need to draft our Kawhi, more Gobert, our Bledsoe, our Rondo, our Jimmy Butler, and then maximize value from them when they become wanted commodities.

Look at Danny Ainge's words today. He admittedly tried to waste assets to trade up but no bites because fans think draft day is all that matters and GM's cannot do their job because of it.
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I don't get this. No one bites on Ainge trying to move up because of the fans? Wow, didn't realize I could sit in the war room and advise on the draft process. I thought that was reserved for the GM, scouts, coaches and overbearing owners.

It was so silly of us to trade up to get Deron. WE should have been like Portland who ended up with much, much more in the draft by trading down with Utah. And by all means, it was certainly a mistake to keep Exum. Needed to trade out of the #5 spot. Look down that list from last season and tell me what 3 players you'd want instead of Exum and Hood.

While I agree trading up is sometimes a mistake (e.g. Trey), a lot of times there just isn't value in the late teens/early 20's, either. From 2013, Dieng and Gobert were the only impact players from 18 down.

And ain't hindsight grand? Tell me, which players from this draft that went #20-#60 are going to be studs? It's one thing to say "trade down for more picks." It's quite another to identify exactly which players are going to be stars. There's not a GM in the business, not even Buford/Pops that hits on every one of those picks.
 
And lest you cite my reaction from this draft, yes, I thought drafting Lyles was a mistake. I thought Portis would be a better pick as a PF and Booker or Oubre a better pick if they wanted a wing. I did overreact, but I can see the Jazz' reasoning. Still have doubts about Lyles, but it wasn't a huge risk.

And assuming the Jazz trade down with Boston, look at the players that went 13-15. Booker, Payne and Oubre were all off the board. Maybe that was EXACTLY what DL feared. Maybe he just didn't like the guys a tier lower than that (Portis, Dekker, RHJ and all the PG's).
 
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